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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/31/2014 10:52 AM, André L wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Thanks,<br>
        I am merging the 2 lists of Stefan,<br>
        The new list will contain photos and example of words.<br>
        The photos are a great Rosetta Stone to build on.<br>
         <br>
        The table is so complete that is seems it may encompass French
        and other languages.<br>
         <br>
        To officialise the symbols of Stefan, we could simply add them
        in SignPuddle or create an import file for SignWriter Studio. 
        Then they could be copied and paste, added in "Favorite" tab...<br>
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    Yes they could definitely be saved as smpl file to be imported to
    other language dictionaries if anyone wants to.  But I think that
    the most effective would be to add them to "Favorite " tab that way
    they can be easily added to other signs.  Each favorite can have
    several SignWriting symbols and it also maintains their position in
    the Sign Box.  Once added they can be dragged anywhere.  It might be
    practical for each of them to be in the same initial spot, so it
    would be easy to just move them over after they have been added if
    need be.  I could make a special file containing these or even add
    it to the default favorites.  People who don't want them could
    delete them from their favorites.<br>
    <br>
    So see an expample of a constructed symbol. Click on the <img
      src="cid:part1.04060005.02080502@yahoo.ca" alt="">index baby bent
    favorites.<br>
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    Jonathan<br>
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         André Lemyre<br>
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          <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:39:08 -0700<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
          Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and
          SpeechWriting<br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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          SignWriting List
          <div>March 31, 2014</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Hello André and Stefan -</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Many thanks to you both for all you are doing...</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>A side note:  Stefan - there is no rush on anything - we
            all know how busy you are and take your time on everything -
            your health is more important than anything - I don’t
            believe in stress ;-))</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>To answer your question, André (the best I can) -</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Of course, Stefan is the official developer of
            Woehrmann’s SpeechWriting and whatever he deems “official”
            is what matters, since without Stefan, SpeechWriting would
            not exist…So I respect what Stefan chooses…</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>As far as incorporating some of the new symbols used in
            SpeechWriting, into the list of SignWriting symbols in a
            future version of the ISWA…for writing sign language mouth
            movements…I do not know if that is necessary or not…but
            again Stefan and other signwriters need to tell us if that
            is needed...</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>The ISWA 2010 is a standard symbol set that is built into
            modern software and any additional symbols (and there will
            always be more symbols people will want added) could
            possibly be added into the software with special
            programming, like a symbol addendum, but we do not plan to
            do a new version of the ISWA itself until 2020…or maybe
            never… The ISWA 2010 seems to be working well…because people
            can construct other symbols if they need them -</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Meanwhile Stefan is writing with SpeechWriting using
            current software, so I am assuming the extra symbols can be
            constructed with little lines etc inside SignPuddle and
            Delegs software…I think that is wonderful and brilliant -
            thank you, Stefan!</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>So to answer your question - The SpeechWriting symbols
            used as Stefan will show us, are official for SpeechWriting.
            SignWriting for writing sign language mouth movements does
            not list the extra symbols at this time, but they could be
            used if people want to construct them -</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Val ;-)</div>
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          <div>----------</div>
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              <div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:07 AM, André L <<a
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                  <div dir="ltr">Wow,<br>
                    this is great, the second link is very complete.<br>
                    This will keep me busy for the week.<br>
                    Thanks<br>
                     <br>
                    PS: how do we proceed with extras added symbols
                    which Stefan developed ?<br>
                    Are they considered as official?<br>
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                    André Lemyre<br>
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                      <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014
                      22:30:17 -0700<br>
                      From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and
                      SpeechWriting<br>
                      To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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                      <div>March 30, 2014</div>
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                      <div>Hello André!</div>
                      <div>Of course, Stefan Woehrmann is the developer
                        of SpeechWriting so he is the one to talk to
                        about this, but here are some links:</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/mundbild_lesen_lernen001.htm"
                          target="_blank">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/mundbild_lesen_lernen001.htm</a></div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%c3%9cbersicht%20Mundbilder"
                          target="_blank">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%C3%9Cbersicht%20Mundbilder</a></div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>As you know, it is called Mundbildschrift in
                        German -</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Stefan used the Mouth symbols in SignWriting
                        to create a standardized way of writing the way
                        speech looks on the mouth - so when you memorize
                        the symbols and what they represent, people can
                        mouth the words - </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>So the above web pages list the standard way
                        of writing each sound on the mouth - using the
                        SignWriting mouth symbols plus a few extras
                        added symbols which Stefan developed -</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Feel free to correct me, Stefan…we really
                        need you to explain this well -</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Val ;-)</div>
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                      <div>--------</div>
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                          <div>On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:32 PM, André L <<a
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                              <div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
                                I need information about how to
                                represent the visible aspect of speech. 
                                Which are the SignWriting symbols that
                                should be used to represent what a deaf
                                person can read on lips.<br>
                                 <br>
                                I need to develop a correspondance that
                                would integrate SpeechWriting in
                                SignWriting animations.<br>
                                 <br>
                                I know there are many symbols but their
                                respective purpose is unclear to me.<br>
                                 <br>
                                If anyone has any information on this
                                matter, even if it is incomplete or in a
                                draft form, it would help me greatly.<br>
                                 <br>
                                Thanks<br>
                                 <br>
                                André Lemyre<br>
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