<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">SignWriting List<div>March 31, 2014</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, SpeechWriting can be used to write the speech of several spoken languages…it has already been used for Brazilian Portuguese, I believe…. very impressive - Dr. Fernando Capovilla from the University of Sao Paulo has been supportive of using SpeechWriting and worked with Stefan on publishing with it in a Brazilian publication...</div><div><br></div><div>There is no hurry - there may be better more up-to-date materials that you will need, but with such a busy schedule as a teacher of Deaf children at the Osnabruck School for the Deaf in Germany, Stefan is busy - I remember a phrase that I was taught as a child “Patience attains all that is strives for” …strange phrase…but it means that sooner or later it all comes to you...</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:52 AM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr">Thanks,<br>I am merging the 2 lists of Stefan,<br>The new list will contain photos and example of words.<br>The photos are a great Rosetta Stone to build on.<br> <br>The table is so complete that is seems it may encompass French and other languages.<br> <br>To officialise the symbols of Stefan, we could simply add them in SignPuddle or create an import file for SignWriter Studio. Then they could be copied and paste, added in "Favorite" tab...<br> <br><br> André Lemyre<br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:39:08 -0700<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><br>SignWriting List<div>March 31, 2014</div><div><br></div><div>Hello André and Stefan -</div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks to you both for all you are doing...</div><div><br></div><div>A side note: Stefan - there is no rush on anything - we all know how busy you are and take your time on everything - your health is more important than anything - I don’t believe in stress ;-))</div><div><br></div><div>To answer your question, André (the best I can) -</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, Stefan is the official developer of Woehrmann’s SpeechWriting and whatever he deems “official” is what matters, since without Stefan, SpeechWriting would not exist…So I respect what Stefan chooses…</div><div><br></div><div>As far as incorporating some of the new symbols used in SpeechWriting, into the list of SignWriting symbols in a future version of the ISWA…for writing sign language mouth movements…I do not know if that is necessary or not…but again Stefan and other signwriters need to tell us if that is needed...</div><div><br></div><div>The ISWA 2010 is a standard symbol set that is built into modern software and any additional symbols (and there will always be more symbols people will want added) could possibly be added into the software with special programming, like a symbol addendum, but we do not plan to do a new version of the ISWA itself until 2020…or maybe never… The ISWA 2010 seems to be working well…because people can construct other symbols if they need them -</div><div><br></div><div>Meanwhile Stefan is writing with SpeechWriting using current software, so I am assuming the extra symbols can be constructed with little lines etc inside SignPuddle and Delegs software…I think that is wonderful and brilliant - thank you, Stefan!</div><div><br></div><div>So to answer your question - The SpeechWriting symbols used as Stefan will show us, are official for SpeechWriting. SignWriting for writing sign language mouth movements does not list the extra symbols at this time, but they could be used if people want to construct them -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:07 AM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@hotmail.ca">andre-andre@hotmail.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Calibri; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;"><div dir="ltr">Wow,<br>this is great, the second link is very complete.<br>This will keep me busy for the week.<br>Thanks<br> <br>PS: how do we proceed with extras added symbols which Stefan developed ?<br>Are they considered as official?<br> <br>André Lemyre<br> <br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:30:17 -0700<br>From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting<br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><br>SignWriting List<div>March 30, 2014</div><div><br></div><div>Hello André!</div><div>Of course, Stefan Woehrmann is the developer of SpeechWriting so he is the one to talk to about this, but here are some links:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/mundbild_lesen_lernen001.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/mundbild_lesen_lernen001.htm</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%c3%9cbersicht%20Mundbilder" target="_blank">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%C3%9Cbersicht%20Mundbilder</a></div><div><br></div><div>As you know, it is called Mundbildschrift in German -</div><div><br></div><div>Stefan used the Mouth symbols in SignWriting to create a standardized way of writing the way speech looks on the mouth - so when you memorize the symbols and what they represent, people can mouth the words - </div><div><br></div><div>So the above web pages list the standard way of writing each sound on the mouth - using the SignWriting mouth symbols plus a few extras added symbols which Stefan developed -</div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to correct me, Stefan…we really need you to explain this well -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>--------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:32 PM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Calibri; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;"><div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>I need information about how to represent the visible aspect of speech. Which are the SignWriting symbols that should be used to represent what a deaf person can read on lips.<br> <br>I need to develop a correspondance that would integrate SpeechWriting in SignWriting animations.<br> <br>I know there are many symbols but their respective purpose is unclear to me.<br> <br>If anyone has any information on this matter, even if it is incomplete or in a draft form, it would help me greatly.<br> <br>Thanks<br> <br>André Lemyre<br><div> </div></div>________________________________________________<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><div style="padding: 0px;">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION</div><div style="padding: 0px;">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a></div><div style="padding: 0px;">Post Messages to the SignWriting List:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a></div><div style="padding: 0px;">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a></div><div style="padding: 0px;">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1" target="_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>________________________________________________<div style="padding: 0px;">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION</div><div style="padding: 0px;">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a></div><div style="padding: 0px;">Post Messages to the SignWriting List:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a></div><div style="padding: 0px;">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a></div><div style="padding: 0px;">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1" target="_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a><br></div></div></div>________________________________________________<p style="margin: 0px; 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