<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">SignWriting List<div>May 14, 2014</div><div><br></div><div>This is where signs seem to be “experienced" differently by writers ...over time the different choices of SignSpellings are listed and one spelling seems to be used more than the others and so it becomes more standardized - it is a form of spelling “evolution"-</div><div><br></div><div>When I look at the video and Eduardo’s last writing, it works for me - it seems easily read to me - including the ending position and the movement - but I am sure there are other ways to interpret it and write it -</div><div><br></div><div>Isn’t that fascinating? People need flexibility because we see things differently -</div><div><br></div><div>That is actually going to be a part of my presentation at the SignWriting Symposium - about the evolution of writing styles over 40 years of writing sign languages -</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway - I suppose the Rotation Arrow could be taken away completely and just have a movement arrow up and then finish in the finishing position which shows the rotation through the last position - that would be easier maybe -</div><div><br></div><div>I must get back to work on the web pages for the Sympoisum - and thank you everyone for this discussion -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>——</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 14, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span>I guess the flip arrow seems to be wrong now as she is showing it go forward rather than a side flip. I watched the video. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 14, 2014 4:01 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Help with a sign<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv5732466433"><div>SignWriting List<div>May 14, 2014</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Hi Charles -</div><div>I was fortunate. I am able to see the video now because of the video link that Eduardo gave us… </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://programoj.esperanto.org.uy/sw/filmetoj/anana.html">http://programoj.esperanto.org.uy/sw/filmetoj/anana.html</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>the hand flips over so the palm of the hand is facing the ceiling… the right thumb is on the right side</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>We all want to write visually. If we are all flexible with each other, and kind and patient with each other, we will find that our writing is quite similar…smile…</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div><img id="yiv573246643396FD61C0-4FD0-40C7-A6F9-9DEFFF82D96D" height="259" width="360" apple-inline="yes" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1.3119230880@web163403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>---------</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div class="yiv5732466433yqt9555017663" id="yiv5732466433yqt41567"><div>On May 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv5732466433Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span>From the way he describes it, it feels like the wrist is bent backward. If you are visualizing what he actually wrote, the hand is up and with the movement does not flip over to the right (your
position). I understand what you are showing, I'm looking at what he's indicating (without a film) so we both may be right. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none">240-764-5748<br clear="none">Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:35 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Help with a sign<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv5732466433y_msg_container"><br clear="none">
<div id="yiv5732466433"><div>SignWriting List<div>May 14, 2014</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This video worked for me, Eduardo - Thank you!!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>And I like your writing of the sign… </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>For me, when I see the sign, the right hand, at the end position, flops over and the thumb finishes on the right side, like this:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><img id="yiv5732466433B1C112D-E999-4450-A17D-E174B91607B1" height="259" width="360" apple-inline="yes" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:2.3119230880@web163403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>No matter what rule you follow, we all want to be visual and you can write as you feel is best -</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>smile</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>-------------</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none">On May 14, 2014, at 12:18 PM,
Eduardo Trápani <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:etrapani@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:etrapani@GMAIL.COM">etrapani@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">install there were so many choices - I am sorry. It would be nice to see<br clear="none">the video to write it properly. Is there any other format you can post?<br clear="none"></blockquote><br clear="none">Maybe this one will work.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://programoj.esperanto.org.uy/sw/filmetoj/anana.html">http://programoj.esperanto.org.uy/sw/filmetoj/anana.html</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">Meanwhile, reading what you have written, I see the right hand on top<br clear="none">and the left hand on the bottom with their fingers touching each other<br clear="none">and then the right hand moves up and the right
fingers come together and<br clear="none">then there is a wrist movement forward and the right hand’s fingers open<br clear="none">with the palm to the ceiling….is that what you wanted? smile<br clear="none"></blockquote><br clear="none">More or less ... :). The final movement is backwards I think. But<br clear="none">otherwise yes, that's it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I hope you can see the video now. And thanks for taking the time
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