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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/30/2014 7:36 PM, Stephen E
Slevinski Jr wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/30/14, 5:46 PM, Jonathan Duncan
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-forward-container">Hello list,<br>
One of the users of SignWriter Studio pointed out to me
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There are 2 reasons that symbols with the same meaning will
repeat. The first is due to completion of rows and columns
(symbol key validity). The second is due to variation
compatibility. <br>
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1) Symbols repeat for the completion of rows and columns. Because
of column 2, row 5 is valid. Because row 5 is valid, all valid
columns must have a symbol in that row.<br>
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Hi Steve, <br>
Yes this makes sense, we want the first to be horizontal, second
right diagonal upwards,etc. The valid rotations are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
so there has to be something there even though it doesn't bring
anything meaningful to the alfabet. Maybe instead of trying to
make each base symbol and complete rectangle of fills and rotations
(or matrix) of symbol but rather just have table with the ones that
are valid. We have to look up the valid fills and valid rotations
per base symbol anyways. So I'm not seing the advantage here. The
last four in the first column here ISWA2010 could map to the first 4
in ISWA2020 as would the first four. Correct me if I missed
something here.<br>
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2) Variation compatibility. The symbol grid below has a
variation. The variation (04-01-010-02) uses all 16 rotations, so
it requires that (04-01-010-01) has all 16 rotations as well.<br>
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Same comment as above.<br>
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Thanks<br>
Jonathan<br>
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So I want to ask you on the list what you think about removing
them or leaving them in ISWA2020 when the ISWA symbols are
updated. <br>
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For the ISWA 2010, these repeated symbols are valid and will stay
in the set.<br>
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<div class="moz-forward-container"> And if I where to show only
one in SignWriter Studio when creating signs, which should I
show. I am thinking leaving the first one.<br>
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That would be fine, however you may encounter data that contains
the symbols you do not show.<br>
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Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
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