<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">SignWriting List<div>June 24, 2014</div><div><br></div><div>Hello André -</div><div>Sorry for my delay in answering - Actually I do not see your A, B and C below to mean the same movement - of course the Jaw goes up and down, so in that sense it is the same but A is very small chattering of teeth - like trembling on the tongue, and B is really biting the tongue - ouch! and C is down-down-down , which is not the same as OUCH!</div><div><br></div><div>smile -</div><div><br></div><div>so the emphasis and the feeling behind these movements are important -</div><div><br></div><div>You know, the little hashtags - the Strike Symbols - those I took from a cartoon series I saw once where they used those in the cartoon to show a person getting struck by something - it was used to show the process of being hit, or struck -</div><div><br></div><div>When it comes to animating these, I would think the mouth that is open before the movement would be different depending on the circumstance..so it could be what you have there, or it could be a variety of other open mouth symbols and tongue symbols depending on the situation…which is not much help I realize - I do not know of a rule to suggest -</div><div><br></div><div>While we are chatting, I want to let you all know that I am working on the web pages, and Presentation 15 from Tunisia (we have two wonderful presentations from Tunisia) - Presentation 15 by Mohamed Ali Balti, Wafa Laajili and Fedi Bahri - they are doing animation of SignWriting - I did not know this until a few days ago - they sent me some videos to post - at the moment I have one video posted of them teaching in Deaf classroom:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0015.html">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0015.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>So maybe you might want to communicate about this -</div><div><br></div><div>I will be working on your page soon, André ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>I will tell you when I post their animation videos -</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks so much for your questions - I suspect I didn’t help much this evening -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>——</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 24, 2014, at 9:58 PM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@hotmail.ca">andre-andre@hotmail.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr">Hello Valerie,<br>thank you for your answer. I know you are very busy with 40 presentations.<br> <br>If I understand well, Answer 1, 2 and 3 describe the same movement with variation of speed and repetition. To animate such motion, I need at least 1 other mouth configuration. Should I use the neutral mouth, the opened mouth (like in question G) or move the teeth symbol up toward the nose and down toward the chin?<br> <br> <br>For answer 4, 5 and 6, it this sequence adequate for animation?<br> <br> <br><div id="inlineImage5" style="display: inline-block;"><span applecontenteditable="true"> </span><div class="inlineImage" contenteditable="false" unselectable="on" initheight="153" initwidth="369" style="display: inline-block;"><img apple-inline="yes" id="4CD4C6E3-B853-4438-9D8E-6E34AF757E31" height="153" width="369" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:ECD093A0-7195-4EEB-A690-9C95E32587F8"></div><span applecontenteditable="true"> </span></div><br>For question D and question E, I would like to know if we should represent an opened mouth or if the mouth symbol simply indicates the hidden tongue movement behind a close mouth?<br> <br>Do you think that question F and G are good representation of the mouth movement?<br> <br>Thanks again.<br> <br> <br>André Lemyre<br> <br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:34:42 -0700<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>Subject: Re: Meaning of Teeth, Tongue and Cheeks symbols<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><br>SignWriting List<div>June 24, 2014</div><div><br></div><div>Hi André -</div><div>I cannot answer your questions related to the sounds such as “open D” etc…sounds are for the SpeechWriting experts (smile)</div><div><br></div><div>But I can tell you what the symbols mean in SignWriting and MovementWriting…which is writing body movement, which includes the mouth, teeth and tongue…</div><div><br></div><div>Here is my chart, based on the numbers of the chart:</div><div><br></div><div>1. teeth bite down (the teeth strike each other once)</div><div>2. Chattering (trembling) teeth - like teeth when you are very cold they will go up and down very fast like a Trill</div><div>3. Chewing three times - the upper teeth go down-down-down</div><div><br></div><div><div>4. top teeth bite down on the tongue</div><div>5. top teeth chattering (trembling) on top of tongue</div><div>6. the upper teeth go down-down-down on the tongue</div></div><div><br></div><div><img apple-inline="yes" id="C834677D-BC79-4D65-A3D3-E68063B925E7" height="603" width="482" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1CDA0F88-4A56-4610-AE29-E5C4B521C7EC"></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 24, 2014, at 1:24 PM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@hotmail.ca">andre-andre@hotmail.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Calibri; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;"><div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>Again, several questions...<br>Thanks<br>André Lemyre<br> <br>I would like to know the meaning of the following symbols:<br> <br><div id="ecxinlineImage0" style="display: inline-block;"><span> </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" unselectable="on" style="display: inline-block;"><img apple-inline="yes" id="78BF5D23-7A23-4FF2-BCCE-97481E5B8D0C" height="151" width="106" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:D90A4E5C-12FB-4EDA-BF4D-1FABDF0F625D"></div><span> </span></div>With the following symbol, is the mouth opened D or closed E?<br> <br><div id="ecxinlineImage1" style="display: inline-block;"><span> </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" unselectable="on" style="display: inline-block;"><img apple-inline="yes" id="6A0A4DEE-E8D2-40ED-9404-80D0F63C779B" height="151" width="637" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:ED3B7CB4-5F3A-472E-B947-69C1A0DA138C"></div><span> </span></div> <br> <br><div id="ecxinlineImage3" style="display: inline-block;"><span> </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" unselectable="on" style="display: inline-block;"><img apple-inline="yes" id="0104AF8B-2B5F-4970-A3FF-BCA18A847C7A" height="151" width="637" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:86CE08E4-05A2-4916-A605-B852191618E9"></div><span> </span></div> <br>Are F and G correct movement sequences?<br> <br> <br><div id="ecxinlineImage4" style="display: inline-block;"><span> </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" unselectable="on" style="display: inline-block;"><img apple-inline="yes" id="89AC1603-9139-4065-9F70-4344C71EB444" height="141" width="454" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:3FBF320D-C514-4439-9DE2-C798EAC8C97C"></div><span> </span></div> <br> <br><div id="ecxinlineImage5" style="display: inline-block;"><span> </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" unselectable="on" style="display: inline-block;"><img apple-inline="yes" id="DD31D9E4-ED51-4B4D-BA32-2160F4305C2D" height="141" width="436" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:36435F64-8F99-45A5-85D2-3CD0A6158A87"></div><span> </span></div> <br> <br><div id="ecxinlineImage2" style="display: inline-block;"><span> </span><span> </span></div> <br> <br></div>________________________________________________<p style="margin: 0px; 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