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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2014 3:27 PM, Stephen E
Slevinski Jr wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/14, 3:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan
wrote:<br>
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Hi Charles,<br>
I enjoyed your symposium <strong style="color: rgb(0, 0,
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">“Ordering Signs in Dictionaries” <a
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href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html</a><br>
</strong> I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find
you a solution. Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would
have an easy way for you to do your sorting.<br>
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There are 2 different issues involved here: the sorting mechanics
and the sorting theory.<br>
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Sorting Mechanics<br>
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The mechanics are simple. A linear ordered sequence of symbols
can be assigned to any sign. The symbols automatically sort
according to the ISWA 2010 default order using a binary string
comparison. In our programs we can use > greater than or <
less than comparisons. From a database, we can use a simple
"order by" clause.<br>
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For each symbol, there are 2 kinds of mechanical sorting. The
major sorting between symbols and the minor sorting within symbol
bases.<br>
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For the major sorting between symbols, the list below is sorted by
the default ISWA 2010 order. Order other than this are possible,
but require an additional step of creating a custom ordering of
the symbols. Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been
implemented. Unicode has a way to reorder the major sorting
issues involving special weights for each symbol base.<br>
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<img src="cid:part2.06060607.08050601@yahoo.ca" alt=""><br>
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For the minor sorting within the symbols, the default order starts
with Fill 1 and Rotation 1. Next is Fill 1 with Rotation 2, then
the rest of the rotations for Fill 1. After that are the symbols
with Fill 2. Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been
implemented. This may be an issue when the default ISWA 2010
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This is what I got from Charles talk too. <br>
<blockquote cite="mid:53EBBC10.5000307@signpuddle.net" type="cite">Unicode
may possibly have a way to reorder the minor sorting, but I'm not
sure.<br>
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Sorting Theory<br>
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For sorting, the linear ordered list of symbols can be created
using any writing symbols and any detailed location symbols.<br>
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Creating the special sorting requires crafting a special sequence.<br>
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If I understood Charles correctly, he would want to use Head Rims.<br>
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Head Rims have a default sort order of the following...<br>
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So the first symbol in the ordered sequence would be the dominant
hand shape. The next would be the appropriate Head Rim. The
third symbol would be the non-dominant hand.<br>
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This is interesting. I hope Charles will be able to elaborate a
little more how he is ordering the sequence and whether he hopes it
can be done automatically or if we have to do it manually.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Jonathan<br>
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Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
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