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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2014 6:18 PM, Ingvild Roald
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<div>Hi all, </div>
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<div>My undestanding at the moment is that a dictionary should be
ordered by </div>
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<div>1) the sign spelling sequence</div>
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<div>2) inside this sequence, the ordering should be done by a
system agreed upon by all.</div>
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<div>This would be something like (but much more complex than) a
sequence inside a roman alphabeth where different diacritics
should follow in a special odrer. </div>
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<div>I think that the spelling sequence, which is based on the the
timing inside a sign, is important and natural.</div>
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<div>The order in which the symbols are written, on the other
hand, is not important and may differ widely from scribe to
scribe. The sign is not written until it is finished, the
symbols may be adjusted many times before that. Therefore it is
very hard to automate the spelling sequencing at this moment.
Maybe in anothe forty years?</div>
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Yes, automating spelling sequence according to timing inside a sign
and the syllables like shown in SignSpelling Guidelines 2008 would
be very hard.<br>
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<div>Ingvild<br>
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Sendt fra min iPad</div>
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Den 14. aug. 2014 kl. 00:03 skrev "Jonathan Duncan" <<a
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Hi Val,SignSpelling Guidelines 2008<br>
Thank you for explaining this. I am familiar with the
sign sequence. It is implemented in SignWriter Studio but I
is not currently using it to sort. Also it being part of the
the FSW where practically the first symbol of a sign sequence
is compared to first symbol of another sign sequence, and so
one with the second, third symbol in the sequence until one is
before the other in the default ISWA 2010 order. Once the
sign sequence is inputed, they can be easily sorted with any
text sorting algorithm.<br>
What I got out of Charles talk is that he is proposing a
different order for sorting the symbols than the default ISWA
2010 order. Basically it would be assigned a different sort
weight to each of the symbols in ISWA2010 than those currently
being the default.<br>
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Thank you for sharing the link to the SignSpelling Guidelines
2008. It will be useful for comparing both types of sorting.<br>
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If you don't mind my asking what was it the you thought that
Steve had that could help Charles with his sorting order just
as he was finishing his talk?<br>
Thanks<br>
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Jonathan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2014 1:52 PM, Valerie
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<div>OK. There is the world of software, that has many
users - software may need to be flexible
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<div>There seem to be two needs…</div>
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<div>1. There is the need for sorting sign-dictionaries
and sign-vocabulary lists</div>
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<div>2. There is the need for sorting for sign-liguistics
characteristics - for linguistic databases</div>
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<div>That is why Steve developed the flexible SignSpelling
Column feature in SignPuddle...So writers can choose the
sequence they want to sort with…</div>
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<div>In SignPuddle, when someone asks for a group of signs
and they are listed…what order are they listed? If the
writer of the signs has entered a SignSpelling Sequence
for each sign, those signs are placed first in the list
and are sorted by the sequence stipulated by the
writer…any other signs in the list that do not have a
SignSpelling stipulated, are listed after, and are in a
guessed order …I think that is the way the software works
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<div>Here is how I personally see sorting signs for
dictionaries…I started a 2010 book, but never finished it,
but here is the 2008 booklet -</div>
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