<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Valerie has an imposed order by an encoded sign-symbol-sequence taking precedence over her "default" one. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I had to sort mine manually, there may be ways for you to achieve yours by other methods in your new program, but if you impose it by the software at the beginning, then you will have to impose a "Sign Spelling Sequence" as the default at some point, as unless you know a sign, all you see in the dictionary is the completed one, not its inherent order when it is made of multiple
syllables. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 13, 2014 1:17 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Ordering Signs in Dictionaries<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7342938353"><div>
Hi Val,<br clear="none">
I wrote to Charles, but posted to the list as I am interested in
everybody´s input on the subject. <span class="yiv7342938353moz-smiley-s1"><span>
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Please share more about the two ways sorting is being done.<br clear="none">
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Jonathan<br clear="none">
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<div>Jonathan and Charles -</div>
<div>Perhaps you are working privately together and if so that is
wonderful ;-)</div>
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<div>I do not want to impose my ideas about sorting dictionaries,
since this was an email for Charles and not for me - smile -</div>
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<div>and I agree with Jonathan, Charles, that your presentation 10
at the SignWriting Symposium was a great addition to the
presentations…</div>
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<div>So is it ok with you that I tell you how we are sorting signs
here? There are actually two ways we are doing it now…</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA" target="_blank" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>>
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</blockquote></div></div></div><div><div> Hi Charles,<br clear="none">
I enjoyed your symposium <b>“Ordering Signs
in Dictionaries” <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7342938353moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html</a><br clear="none">
</b> I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able
to find you a solution. Val mentioned that she thought
that Steve would have an easy way for you to do your
sorting.<br clear="none">
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I would like to implement a sorting algorithm for
SignWriter Studio as I haven't implemented any yet and I
am starting to produce a Honduran Sign Language
dictionary. <br clear="none">
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I understood how you are doing the ordering comparing hand
shapes, comparing rotations, comparing facings, comparing
facial areas, etc. I like it very much.<br clear="none">
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A couple things I wanted to ask.<br clear="none">
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For your algorithm to work properly does the sign sequence
of a sign need to be filled out? I am getting the
impression that your sorting could sort dictionaries
without the sign sequence, is this assumption correct? Or
would it sort signs according to the symbols in sign
sequence? It doesn't seem to take into account the order
of the symbols in the sign sequence, is this correct?<br clear="none">
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Also do you have another document comparing the other
symbols like movement symbols, etc? If so could you send
it to me? <br clear="none">
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