<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Actually, I did not give enough information for a complete listing. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">1) Single hand - BaseSymbol order </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">2) Orientation - Fill and Rotation</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">3) Second hand - BaseSymbol order</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">4) Second hand orientation - Fill and Rotation</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">5) Contacts (default is hand to hand contact first) (however many contacts in the sequence) </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">- hand to body (head, shoulders, waist not shown)</span></div><div
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">- hand to other hand</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">- hand to head (head arc ordered including eyes, nose, ears, etc. lots of individual markers for location)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">- hand to body</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">6) Movements (vertical, horizontal, arcs - as listed in the
SignPuddle)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">7) Speed</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">8) Facial Expression (these are always being added)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style="">Put this into the Sign Spelling Sequence for each syllable and you have what i am trying to do.
Sometimes any of the parameters may be null, so a head movement alone would have no hands or contacts, but might have movement, speed and facial expressions. Crinkling one's nose like Samantha from Bewitched would be one of these. Carmen Miranda dancing would use all eight parameters. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><table cellpadding="10" style="font-family: Times;" class=""><tbody class="" style=""><tr class="" style=""><td class="" style=""><b class="" style=""><font size="+1" class="" style="">Carmen-Miranda</font></b></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="font-family: Times; font-size: medium; float: left; padding: 5px;" class=""><img
src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS14c18S14c52S37303S37011S31e00S14c10S14c5aS37015S37301S31f00M63x137S14c18n55xn43S37303n35x108S14c52n66x7S37011n25xn31S37015n29x78S14c5a32x113S14c1034x66S37301n21x11S31e00n20xn71S31f00n22x35&pad=10&name=Carmen-Miranda" class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><table border="" cellpadding="5" style="font-family: Times;" class=""><tbody class="" style=""><tr class="" style=""><td valign="top" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Carmen Miranda dancing</div></td><td class="" style=""><table cellpadding="5" border="1" class="" style=""><tbody class="" style=""><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=14c18&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img
src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=14c52&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=37303&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=37011&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=31e00&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=14c10&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img
src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=14c5a&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=37015&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=37301&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr><tr class="" style=""><td align="middle" class="" style=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyph.php?key=31f00&line=999999&size=.7" class="" style=""></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""> </span><br class="" style=""></div><div class=""
style="">Charles Butler<br class="" style="">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br class="" style="">240-764-5748<br class="" style="">Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Stephen E Slevinski Jr <slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET><br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:27 PM<br class=""
style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: Ordering Signs in Dictionaries<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""><div id="yiv4818978367" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">
<div class="" style="">On 8/12/14, 3:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan
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Hi Charles,<br clear="none" class="" style="">
I enjoyed your symposium <b class="" style="">“Ordering Signs in Dictionaries” <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html" style="">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html</a><br clear="none" class="" style="">
</b> I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find
you a solution. Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would
have an easy way for you to do your sorting.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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There are 2 different issues involved here: the sorting mechanics
and the sorting theory.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Sorting Mechanics<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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The mechanics are simple. A linear ordered sequence of symbols can
be assigned to any sign. The symbols automatically sort according
to the ISWA 2010 default order using a binary string comparison. In
our programs we can use > greater than or < less than
comparisons. From a database, we can use a simple "order by"
clause.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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For each symbol, there are 2 kinds of mechanical sorting. The major
sorting between symbols and the minor sorting within symbol bases.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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For the major sorting between symbols, the list below is sorted by
the default ISWA 2010 order. Order other than this are possible,
but require an additional step of creating a custom ordering of the
symbols. Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been implemented.
Unicode has a way to reorder the major sorting issues involving
special weights for each symbol base.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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For the minor sorting within the symbols, the default order starts
with Fill 1 and Rotation 1. Next is Fill 1 with Rotation 2, then
the rest of the rotations for Fill 1. After that are the symbols
with Fill 2. Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been
implemented. This may be an issue when the default ISWA 2010 order
is not the desired order. Unicode may possibly have a way to
reorder the minor sorting, but I'm not sure.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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<img src="cid:2.4129398983@web163406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" alt="" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Sorting Theory<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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For sorting, the linear ordered list of symbols can be created using
any writing symbols and any detailed location symbols.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Creating the special sorting requires crafting a special sequence.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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If I understood Charles correctly, he would want to use Head Rims.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Head Rims have a default sort order of the following...<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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So the first symbol in the ordered sequence would be the dominant
hand shape. The next would be the appropriate Head Rim. The third
symbol would be the non-dominant hand.<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Regards,<div class="" id="yiv4818978367yqtfd28251" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">
-Steve</div><br clear="none" class="" style="">
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