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Hello Yair,<br>
Nice work with your new keyboard-based SignWriting input
method. At first I didn't like the fact that you have positioning,
plane change and rotation twice (one for each symbol being edited)
I am not used to editing two symbols simultaneously, that's just too
much for me. So I end up editing one, then editing the other. So I
thing you could have only on set of these. I like the way we can
choose how many fingers are showing. Once you get the grasp of it
(it is hard at first), it is really cool.<br>
<br>
I'm not much for rotating one rotation at a time. I like how it
is shown in the basic instruction books. That's were I got the idea
for the hand choosers in SignWriter Studio. But it only works well
for the hands and some arrows.<br>
<br>
I noticed a design flaw that we all do when we try to show the
hand symbols right hand and left hand. There are three hand facings
in the font. palm side, thumb edge of hand, back of hand. When
doing right hand, left hand symbol choosers, you need to include the
baby finger side of hand. The baby finger side of hand are the same
symbols as the other hand's thumb edge of hand. So basically you
need to add one more palm facing to your program and the logic to
show the right ones, because the code will be like the opposite
hand's thumb edge of hand.<br>
<br>
You know you have it's right when you can write a sign like this
using the right and left hands selectors. The flat hand is a left
and the other is the right hand.<br>
<br>
<br>
<table style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
cellpadding="10">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td><b><font size="+1">money</font></b><br>
cash, budget</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman';
font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: left;
padding: 5px;"><img src="cid:part1.07010500.08050507@yahoo.ca"><br>
</div>
<table style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
cellpadding="5" border="">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>
<table cellpadding="5" border="1">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td align="center"><img
src="cid:part2.07000709.07010705@yahoo.ca"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="center"><img
src="cid:part3.00070009.07010902@yahoo.ca"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="center"><img
src="cid:part4.00030107.01030909@yahoo.ca"></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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I also noticed that the SWIFT program has the same limitation.<br>
<br>
Claudia,<br>
So far I have read through your annexes and am working on
reading your dissertation. I hand it quite interesting so far. I
spent some time analysing the hand shapes when I wrote SignWriter
Studio but wasn't able to look so it depth at the movement symbols
and other symbols as you did. I might have a few suggestions for
you if you are interested.<br>
<br>
Claudia, Maria, Fabrizio,<br>
Do you plan on upgrading SWIFT to use ISWA2010 or develop all
the glyphs for ISWABiachini any time soon? Or are you wanting to
explore more the OGR and the video transcription now?<br>
Is ISWABianchini still open for additions? I was wondering if
it would be possible to add the baby finger edge of hand to it?
What do you think? <br>
<br>
Also I was thinking that when we make the glyphs for
ISWABianchini, that no two symbols look exactly alike. Now
sometimes we can only tell the thumb edge of hand from baby finger
edge of hand by it's context in the sign. (and also wether it's a
right hand of left hand) This makes some software automation more
difficult, like going from a receptive view to an expressive view.
Also some symbols that don't have a specific finger showing, it's
hard to know which hand it is without the context of the sign. Then
the is the fist that we can't even tell what the rotation is in the
wall plane ( in the floor plane, the knuckle line shows so it is
clear, still have the right hand, left hand issue though).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/31/2014 11:23 PM, Valerie Sutton
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<div>Finally, I'd like to unveil my new keyboard-based
SignWriting input method, available <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB.html">here</a>.
(I'm hosting it at Google Drive until I can figure
out a better location.) It's written in javascript
and should work in all major browsers. The script is
still a work-in-progress, and doesn't have all of
the symbols yet. Many of the symbols are not in the
best locations (partly because I don't understand
what all of the symbols mean), and there's probably
going to be a lot of bugs in the current version.
Please take a look, test it out, and give lots of
feedback. Happy typing. :)</div>
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<div>Hello Yair!</div>
<div>There is so much to talk about in your message, but I just
had to jump to the section in your message about your new
development…a way to type SignWriting with a keyboard design…
Thank you for taking this new idea upon your shoulders. Maybe we
can host it on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://SignWriting.org">SignWriting.org</a>, or <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://SignBank.org">SignBank.org</a>?
Would that be feasible? Or maybe it really belongs on Wikimedia
in the future… But we will be happy to host it if that is good
for you...</div>
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<div>As you know years ago we developed a way to type in
SignWriter DOS, and I noticed you plan to have a Fingerspelling
mode, just as we have in SignWriter DOS. I can give you the
Fingerspelling mappings for around 17 sign languages, which you
will need sooner or later… </div>
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<div>May I show you our symbol design from the SignWriter DOS
keyboard, so you can see what all the symbols mean? I believe
that will help, even if you do not use our design, you can at
least learn from it…</div>
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<div>But take a look at this new way of tying SignWriting,
everyone - I think this has potential -</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://806e8abcad89c3043886d9f62a7903edbba39fa1.googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB.html">https://806e8abcad89c3043886d9f62a7903edbba39fa1.googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB.html</a></div>
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<div>Yair Rand SignWriting Keyboard</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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