<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">That is truly strange because if I am getting Charles’ messages through the list, then it probably isn’t the list that would be the problem (you would think). And it is strange that you have two emails acting the same way. Are they both <a href="http://yahoo.ca">yahoo.ca</a>? Maybe try a different domain?<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Hi Val,<br>
I am still have problems with Charles messages on the list. For
example, I never got the email from Charles below in either of my
email accounts but got Adam´s reply to it in both of them. I
checked my spam folders and they are not there either. <br>
<br>
Just to let you know that the bug on the list software is still
there. Though I understand that you may not be able to do much
about it. <br>
<br>
So everybody please always reply to Charles so that I can know what
he wrote <span class="moz-smiley-s1"> :-) </span>.
LOL Just kidding.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jonathan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/2014 11:52 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<br>
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So if I am reading this right, you are comparing two signs of
DEAF. One with contact and one without. It seems that you are
writing the SignSpelling Sequence following the basic
Handshape-Location-Movement order. Ok. So that would mean that you
would have DEAF with contact ordered as:
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<div><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="01-01-001-01-02-02" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-001-01-02-02&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="04-01-002-01-01-07" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=04-01-002-01-01-07&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="02-01-001-01-01-01" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-01-001-01-01-01&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="02-03-001-01-01-04" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-03-001-01-01-04&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="04-01-002-01-01-05" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=04-01-002-01-01-05&color=000000"><img alt="02-01-001-01-01-01" apple-inline="yes" id="B63F6F2B-A8DD-42A3-82CC-05FC4E2FBD43" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="11" width="10" src="cid:part6.01090902.02010802@yahoo.ca"></div>
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<div>And DEAF without as:</div>
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<div><img alt="01-01-001-01-02-02" apple-inline="yes" id="7AEA72A5-B2B0-41DD-A360-5096DA661417" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="30" width="21" src="cid:part7.05080608.06010209@yahoo.ca"><img alt="04-01-002-01-01-07" apple-inline="yes" id="5E4FAA9A-DCD8-4E24-82EA-8BB50C661A29" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="35" width="36" src="cid:part8.08070208.04030206@yahoo.ca"><img alt="02-03-001-01-01-04" apple-inline="yes" id="54C208F8-6654-462E-9BEB-6A30727D38E7" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="14" width="13" src="cid:part9.08000404.09080504@yahoo.ca"><img alt="04-01-002-01-01-05" apple-inline="yes" id="BED8BE8B-5509-4F86-9B67-BD401F0E848C" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="35" width="36" src="cid:part10.05010101.01060102@yahoo.ca"></div>
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<div>Assuming that you are using the Symbol Sequence that is
inherit with the ISWA 2010, then DEAF with contact would come
first before DEAF without contact because the first contact star
in DEAF with contact comes before the arrow moment in DEAF
without contact.</div>
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<div>But I’m still not seeing what you are referring to. What
exactly are you trying to do?</div>
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<div>Adam</div>
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<div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Charles Butler <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>>
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<div><span>Hi Adam and Jonathan.</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana,
helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>What Jonathan and I are
running up against is Sign-Symbol-Sequence by
Syllable, so, for example with a sign like Deaf
(with face contact) and Deaf (without face contact),
I put the first and second positions of the face
when there are no contacts but the hand is near the
space BEFORE the writing where there is actual
contact on the head. The only way to order them in a
dictionary (for me) is to have distinct syllables
and spellings within syllables. So that
first-syllable INDEX HAND-NEAR EAR ARC-(second
syllable)-NEAR MOUTH ARC comes before (first
syllable) HAND-EAR ARC-CONTACT-(second
syllable)EAR-MOUTH-CONTACT. </span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana,
helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>We are trying to order
positions on the Head in relation to contacts with
the Head in syllables. Trying to get a fixed order
of relation to one part of a syllable to the next
part. </span></div>
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<div>Charles Butler<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
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Adam Frost <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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Monday, September 8, 2014 9:58 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: Examples of Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting<br>
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<div>I’m not sure what you mean by 1-3. Do you
mean the location on the hand? And what do you
mean by Top-Down for the Face?
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<div>As for the neck, I found this sign with
SignSpelling Sequence.</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098</a></div>
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<div>For the shoulder, I found this sign with
SignSpelling Sequence.</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7005">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7005</a></div>
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Duncan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA" target="_blank" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>>
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<div> Hi,<br clear="none">
Does anybody have any SignSequence
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Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting<br clear="none">
1. Location Dominant Hand<br clear="none">
2. Location Non-Dominant Hand<br clear="none">
4. Face (Top-Down)<br clear="none">
5. Neck<br clear="none">
6. Shoulder<br clear="none">
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7. Torso<br clear="none">
8. Hips & Legs<br clear="none">
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