<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">That is truly strange because if I am getting Charlesí messages through the list, then it probably isnít the list that would be the problem (you would think). And it is strange that you have two emails acting the same way. Are they both <a href="http://yahoo.ca">yahoo.ca</a>? Maybe try a different domain?<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    Hi Val,<br>
        I am still have problems with Charles messages on the list.  For
    example, I never got the email from Charles below in either of my
    email accounts but got Adamīs reply to it in both of them.  I
    checked my spam folders and they are not there either.  <br>
    <br>
    Just to let you know that the bug on the list software is still
    there.  Though I understand that you may not be able to do much
    about it. <br>
    <br>
    So everybody please always reply to Charles so that I can know what
    he wrote <span class="moz-smiley-s1"> :-) </span>.
    LOL  Just kidding.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Jonathan<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/2014 11:52 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<br>
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      So if I am reading this right, you are comparing two signs of
      DEAF. One with contact and one without. It seems that you are
      writing the SignSpelling Sequence following the basic
      Handshape-Location-Movement order. Ok. So that would mean that you
      would have DEAF with contact ordered as:
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      <div><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="01-01-001-01-02-02" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-001-01-02-02&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="04-01-002-01-01-07" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=04-01-002-01-01-07&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="02-01-001-01-01-01" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-01-001-01-01-01&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="02-03-001-01-01-04" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-03-001-01-01-04&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="04-01-002-01-01-05" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=04-01-002-01-01-05&color=000000"><img alt="02-01-001-01-01-01" apple-inline="yes" id="B63F6F2B-A8DD-42A3-82CC-05FC4E2FBD43" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="11" width="10" src="cid:part6.01090902.02010802@yahoo.ca"></div>
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      <div>And DEAF without as:</div>
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      </div>
      <div><img alt="01-01-001-01-02-02" apple-inline="yes" id="7AEA72A5-B2B0-41DD-A360-5096DA661417" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="30" width="21" src="cid:part7.05080608.06010209@yahoo.ca"><img alt="04-01-002-01-01-07" apple-inline="yes" id="5E4FAA9A-DCD8-4E24-82EA-8BB50C661A29" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="35" width="36" src="cid:part8.08070208.04030206@yahoo.ca"><img alt="02-03-001-01-01-04" apple-inline="yes" id="54C208F8-6654-462E-9BEB-6A30727D38E7" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="14" width="13" src="cid:part9.08000404.09080504@yahoo.ca"><img alt="04-01-002-01-01-05" apple-inline="yes" id="BED8BE8B-5509-4F86-9B67-BD401F0E848C" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="35" width="36" src="cid:part10.05010101.01060102@yahoo.ca"></div>
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      <div>Assuming that you are using the Symbol Sequence that is
        inherit with the ISWA 2010, then DEAF with contact would come
        first before DEAF without contact because the first contact star
        in DEAF with contact comes before the arrow moment in DEAF
        without contact.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>But Iím still not seeing what you are referring to. What
        exactly are you trying to do?</div>
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      </div>
      <div>Adam</div>
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          <div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Charles Butler <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>>
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                <div><span>Hi Adam and Jonathan.</span></div>
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                  helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
                  font-style: normal;"><span>What Jonathan and I are
                    running up against is Sign-Symbol-Sequence by
                    Syllable, so, for example with a sign like Deaf
                    (with face contact) and Deaf (without face contact),
                    I put the first and second positions of the face
                    when there are no contacts but the hand is near the
                    space BEFORE the writing where there is actual
                    contact on the head. The only way to order them in a
                    dictionary (for me) is to have distinct syllables
                    and spellings within syllables. So that
                    first-syllable INDEX HAND-NEAR EAR ARC-(second
                    syllable)-NEAR MOUTH ARC  comes before (first
                    syllable) HAND-EAR ARC-CONTACT-(second
                    syllable)EAR-MOUTH-CONTACT. </span></div>
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                  helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
                  font-style: normal;"><span>We are trying to order
                    positions on the Head in relation to contacts with
                    the Head in syllables. Trying to get a fixed order
                    of relation to one part of a syllable to the next
                    part. </span></div>
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                <div>Charles Butler<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
                  240-764-5748<br>
                  Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
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                      <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                        Adam Frost <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>
                        <br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                        Monday, September 8, 2014 9:58 AM<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                        Re: Examples of Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting<br>
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                        <div>Iím not sure what you mean by 1-3. Do you
                          mean the location on the hand? And what do you
                          mean by Top-Down for the Face?
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                          <div>As for the neck, I found this sign with
                            SignSpelling Sequence.</div>
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                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098</a></div>
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                          <div>For the shoulder, I found this sign with
                            SignSpelling Sequence.</div>
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                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7005">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7005</a></div>
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                          <div>Adam</div>
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                            <div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Jonathan
                              Duncan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA" target="_blank" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>>
                              wrote:</div>
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                          <div> Hi,<br clear="none">
                                Does anybody have any SignSequence
                            examples for<br clear="none">
                            <br clear="none">
                            Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting<br clear="none">
                            1. Location Dominant Hand<br clear="none">
                            2. Location Non-Dominant Hand<br clear="none">
                            4. Face (Top-Down)<br clear="none">
                            5. Neck<br clear="none">
                            6. Shoulder<br clear="none">
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                            Iīve looked through the sign spelling
                            sequences for the ASL and only found
                            examples for<br clear="none">
                            3. Head<br clear="none">
                            7. Torso<br clear="none">
                            8. Hips & Legs<br clear="none">
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                            Thanks,<br clear="none">
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