<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Did you check your trash? I remember for some reason Charles’ emails (as well as a few others) were being sent there or spam. I don’t know why it happened, but I ended up making a filter so that the emails to the list are never placed in the spam or trash. You could look in your all folder within gmail to see if his emails are there anywhere.<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    No one is <a href="http://yahoo.ca">yahoo.ca</a> the other is <a href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/2014 5:24 PM, Adam Frost wrote:<br>
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      That is truly strange because if I am getting Charles’ messages
      through the list, then it probably isn’t the list that would be
      the problem (you would think). And it is strange that you have two
      emails acting the same way. Are they both <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://yahoo.ca/">yahoo.ca</a>?
      Maybe try a different domain?
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      <div>Adam</div>
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          <div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Jonathan Duncan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Val,<br>
                  I am still have problems with Charles messages on the
              list.  For example, I never got the email from Charles
              below in either of my email accounts but got Adam´s reply
              to it in both of them.  I checked my spam folders and they
              are not there either.  <br>
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              Just to let you know that the bug on the list software is
              still there.  Though I understand that you may not be able
              to do much about it. <br>
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              So everybody please always reply to Charles so that I can
              know what he wrote <span class="moz-smiley-s1"> :-) </span>.
              LOL  Just kidding.<br>
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              Regards,<br>
              Jonathan<br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/2014 11:52 AM, Adam
                Frost wrote:<br>
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                So if I am reading this right, you are comparing two
                signs of DEAF. One with contact and one without. It
                seems that you are writing the SignSpelling Sequence
                following the basic Handshape-Location-Movement order.
                Ok. So that would mean that you would have DEAF with
                contact ordered as:
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                <div><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="01-01-001-01-02-02" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-001-01-02-02&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="04-01-002-01-01-07" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=04-01-002-01-01-07&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="02-01-001-01-01-01" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-01-001-01-01-01&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="02-03-001-01-01-04" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-03-001-01-01-04&color=000000"><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt="04-01-002-01-01-05" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=04-01-002-01-01-05&color=000000"><img alt="02-01-001-01-01-01" apple-inline="yes" id="B63F6F2B-A8DD-42A3-82CC-05FC4E2FBD43" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" height="11" width="10" src="cid:part8.07070105.00050809@yahoo.ca"></div>
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                <div>And DEAF without as:</div>
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                <div>Assuming that you are using the Symbol Sequence
                  that is inherit with the ISWA 2010, then DEAF with
                  contact would come first before DEAF without contact
                  because the first contact star in DEAF with contact
                  comes before the arrow moment in DEAF without contact.</div>
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                <div>But I’m still not seeing what you are referring to.
                  What exactly are you trying to do?</div>
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                <div>Adam</div>
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                    <div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Charles Butler <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>>

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                          <div><span>Hi Adam and Jonathan.</span></div>
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                            verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;
                            background-color: transparent; font-style:
                            normal;"><span>What Jonathan and I are
                              running up against is Sign-Symbol-Sequence
                              by Syllable, so, for example with a sign
                              like Deaf (with face contact) and Deaf
                              (without face contact), I put the first
                              and second positions of the face when
                              there are no contacts but the hand is near
                              the space BEFORE the writing where there
                              is actual contact on the head. The only
                              way to order them in a dictionary (for me)
                              is to have distinct syllables and
                              spellings within syllables. So that
                              first-syllable INDEX HAND-NEAR EAR
                              ARC-(second syllable)-NEAR MOUTH ARC
                               comes before (first syllable) HAND-EAR
                              ARC-CONTACT-(second
                              syllable)EAR-MOUTH-CONTACT. </span></div>
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                          <div style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
                            verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;
                            background-color: transparent; font-style:
                            normal;"><span>We are trying to order
                              positions on the Head in relation to
                              contacts with the Head in syllables.
                              Trying to get a fixed order of relation to
                              one part of a syllable to the next part. </span></div>
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                          <div>Charles Butler<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
                            240-764-5748<br>
                            Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
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                                <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                                  Adam Frost <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>
                                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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                                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                                  Monday, September 8, 2014 9:58 AM<br>
                                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                                  Re: Examples of Syllable 4: Detailed
                                  Sorting<br>
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                                  <div>I’m not sure what you mean by
                                    1-3. Do you mean the location on the
                                    hand? And what do you mean by
                                    Top-Down for the Face?
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                                    <div>As for the neck, I found this
                                      sign with SignSpelling Sequence.</div>
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                                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098</a></div>
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                                    <div>For the shoulder, I found this
                                      sign with SignSpelling Sequence.</div>
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                                    <div>Adam</div>
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                                      <div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:56 AM,
                                        Jonathan Duncan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA" target="_blank" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>>

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                                    <div> Hi,<br clear="none">
                                          Does anybody have any
                                      SignSequence examples for<br clear="none">
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                                      Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting<br clear="none">
                                      1. Location Dominant Hand<br clear="none">
                                      2. Location Non-Dominant Hand<br clear="none">
                                      4. Face (Top-Down)<br clear="none">
                                      5. Neck<br clear="none">
                                      6. Shoulder<br clear="none">
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                                      I´ve looked through the sign
                                      spelling sequences for the ASL and
                                      only found examples for<br clear="none">
                                      3. Head<br clear="none">
                                      7. Torso<br clear="none">
                                      8. Hips & Legs<br clear="none">
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                                      Thanks,<br clear="none">
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