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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Jonathan ,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I read your announcement
with great interest. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hm – I have to
admit that I do not understand the concept, the idea, the advantage –
perhaps you can explain that a little bit more? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You show the picture of
the SignWriter DOS keayboard. Ha – I remember so many situations that
are connected with my long hours to learn and to practice working with this
program. So many emails und calls and questions to get the printouts at that
time. (Hi Valerie – thanks again for your kind support in 1999 ) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Today there are not so
many experts who know about all the details and advantages and the workflow... Well
I am one of these... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now we do have SignPuddle
– the online dictionary pool for single entries for several countries. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We can make new signs
with Signmaker and use these signs within different other Software – as we
do with our delegs programm<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand that your
projekt is not easy to achieve and that it will take long hours of
programming. In the end you will be able to design/create/make a new entry but
instead of using the mouse you can use the keyboard. Is that what you want me
to understand? The result will be the same. There is another entry in the
dictionary and now you can use some kind of translation option of SignPuddle or
delegs in order to create a new SignWriting document written from top to down
or from left to write (which is very important to me if it comes to using these
documents within the context of education.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The DOS - keyboard design
asks for pretty much experience if you want to create new signs quickly. Compared
to that it is much easier especially for beginners to pick a given symbol from
a visually presented collection of symbols. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The nice thing of the
keyboard is that you can moove the individual signs exactly up und down and
sideways – which is often a problem if you are dependend on the mouse. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well you see – I would
love to understand the goal, the idea that this new effort in creating a next
generation of SW-Software is of advantage compared to the time and costs you
invest. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nevertheless I love to see
all these different projects around this wonderfull invention to be able to
write and read SignLanguage which has not been possible this way before Valerie
shared her genious invention with the world. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All best<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> SignWriting List: </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'>Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftrag von </span></b>Jonathan Duncan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Dienstag, 7. Oktober
2014 17:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Signwriting keyboard
Kickstarter project idea</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi List,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> I have seen that over the years the request for a keyboarding feature like SignWriter DOS has been asked for over and over and over ... And we still don't have it. Back in 2010 Val suggested that I implement it in SignWriter Studio. At that time I was unable as I was getting the program up and running. So know I want to implement the keyboarding feature but I am thinking that it would be most useful for all of you if I did it for the web then ported it back to run in SignWriter Studio at a latter date.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My idea is this create a Kickstarter project to raise the funds to make the program. It will be web page (SPA single page application) that can easily be included into other web sites. It will be open source so that other programmers can modify it and add more features if they like. Once I get it made then I want to incorporate it into Personal Puddle so that it will be very easy for Steve Slevinsky to add to SignPuddle online. (I am hoping he will be open to the idea). Think of it as an alternative to the SignText Editor in SignPuddle.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><u><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>These are the features I am thinking of implementing.</span></font></u><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Keyboard selection resembling as much as possible
SignWriter Dos but adjusted to ISWA2010<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Seeing the full keyboard at all times something
like this<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><img width=759 height=324 id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:image003.jpg@01CFE316.AABA3770"><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Symbol selection keyboard. (Sign Mode)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Fingerspelling keyboard. (Fingerspelling Mode)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Setup and customize fingerspelling layout.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Setup and customize keyboard in use layout. (not
everybody types with a USA keyboard)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<pre style='orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-wrap: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px'><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><u><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>These are the features that we need to discuss </span></font></u><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Typing text into the sign (Alphabet Mode) See
below<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Horizontal Sign writting (How many of you feel
that it wouldn't be worth it without this?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<pre style='orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-wrap: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px'><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><u><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p><span
style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></font></u></pre><pre><u><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>These are the features that are not going to be part of this version of the project</span></font></u><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Write when disconneted from the Internet<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Use of mouse to click on keyboard or move symbols
around.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Printing<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Use of special fonts<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<pre style='orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-wrap: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px'><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>For this to work I will need you help with letting a lot of people about our Kickstart project that that they may donate if they wish. If you want make some YouTube videos or other SignWriting related letters or information that you think could help people see the importance of supporting this project then please send them to me and I will add them to our Kickstarter project page. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>For those of you who are wondering how Kickstarter works from the site itself <a
href="https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics#faq_62996">https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics#faq_62996</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'><font size=3 color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>A<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><b
style='font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit'><font
color="#0f2105" face=inherit><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold'>project</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>is
a finite work with a clear goal that you’d like to bring to life. Think
albums, books, or films.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'><font size=3 color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>The </span></font><b
style='font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit'><font
color="#0f2105" face=inherit><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold'>funding goal</span></font></b><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'> is
the amount of money that a creator needs to complete their project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'><font size=3 color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>Funding on Kickstarter is </span></font><b
style='font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit'><font
color="#0f2105" face=inherit><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold'>all-or-nothing</span></font></b><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>.
No one will be charged for a pledge towards a project unless it reaches its
funding goal. This way, creators always have the budget they scoped out before
moving forward.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'><font size=3 color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>A<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><b
style='font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit'><font
color="#0f2105" face=inherit><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold'>creator</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>is
the person or team behind the project idea; working to bring it to life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'><b style='font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit'><font
size=3 color="#0f2105" face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
inherit;color:#0F2105;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:
bold'>Backers</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>are
folks who<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><b
style='font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit'><font
color="#0f2105" face=inherit><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold'>pledge</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>money
to join creators in bringing projects to life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'><b style='font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit'><font
size=3 color="#0f2105" face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
inherit;color:#0F2105;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:
bold'>Rewards</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105'>are
a creator's chance to share a piece of their project with their backer community.
Typically, these are one-of-a-kind experiences, limited editions, or copies of
the creative work being produced.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-wrap: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px'><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We also have to think of what kind of rewards people in the Deaf community, people who use SignWriting and people unaquainted with sign language would appreciate most.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My take on <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><b><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:
bold'>Typing text into the sign (Alphabet Mode)</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I know this is one of the VERY big reasons people want the Keyboarding. I could implement it but I don't believe that SignPuddle has a way of representing text on top of the SignWriting. So you wouldn't really be able to use it until someone writes a SignWriting web site that supports text with the SignWriting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>How important is it that text can be placed anywhere as opposed to let say only below? How do we keep it from becoming messy switching between vertical and horizontal layout?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Look forward to all of your questions and comments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jonathan Duncan<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>October 13, 2010<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hello Jonathan and Steve -<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks for these messages. Richard Gleaves is the developer of the original SignWriter program, which was first developed for the Apple //e and //c in 1986, and was then transferred and developed further in MS-DOS. SignWriter DOS was our world standard program from the late 1980s until 1996, when Richard Gleaves stopped working with SignWriting, and started working for Qualcomm, here in San Diego, California. So Rich lives close to me here, and I will be seeing him in the next month, so we can always turn to Rich with questions if you need his input. I also have his Source Code, for SignWriter DOS here, which I will be happy to send to you privately. The last symbolset that we were using, at the time that Rich stopped developing SignWriter in 1996, was the symbolset called SSS-1995.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Then, in 1996, I hired a company that was using a new development language very modern and cutting edge, called Java. it was new then, and there was not automatic way to program printing from Java yet, but I hired a company to transfer the SignWriter DOS code over to Java, but it took longer and was a harder job than the company expected, and they stopped doing the development. So the end result was SignWriter Java, which cannot print, and it is only for one country at a time (SignWriter DOS can switch back and forth easily between countries)...so because SignWriter DOS is more complete, most people who want SignWriter are most likely still using SignWriter DOS using DOSBox, which is required in modern operating systems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>However, having said that, SignWriter Java still has the same typing system (keyboarding)...but it created new features that are NOT in SignWriter DOS...the biggest difference between SignWriter DOS and SignWriter Java is that the Java version allows some mouse work, where SignWriter DOS is solely keyboard - no mouse capability whatsoever.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To learn about how to type using SignWriter DOS, read the documents on this web page:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>SignWriter 4.4 Instruction (how to type)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw44/sw44less/index.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw44/sw44less/index.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(I can send you the source code if you want it)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To download the sources for SignWriter Java, go to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download01.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download02.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download02.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download03.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download03.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>SignWriter Tiger uses the sss-1999 symbolset. To learn about Daniel Noelpp Ly's programming of SignWriter Tiger, and to download his source code, go to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.signwriter.org/">http://www.signwriter.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The end result of all these beautiful programs were that between 1996 until 2004 when we met Steve, we had many developers graciously offer to help, but because the jobs were so enormous and more complicated than people expected, SignWriter DOS never got re-written well enough to become a modern typing program...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The typing system that Rich Gleaves and I designed works beautifully, and Steve was kind enough to implement some of the Special Command Keys from our design in SignWriter DOS, into Command Buttons in SignPuddle, for example for Rotate, which used to be the Rotate Key in SignWriter DOS, and the Mirror or Flop Button, that is the MIrror Key in SignWriter DOS...so I think users remember these details and recognize them from program to program...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If you would like to learn to type using SignWriter DOS, Jonathan, let's get together on Skype, and I can teach you one on one how to type quickly using SignWriter DOS. If you can implement the same typing system in SignWriter Studio, that would be a miracle and make your program the obvious choice for SignWriter DOS users, because you will have the best of both worlds - SignWriter Studio would become the alternative for SignWriter DOS users -<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>By the way, go to SymbolBank for downloading these different symbolsets from over the years...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sutton's SymbolBank<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/">http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Oct 13, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan y Yolaine wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Hi Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Thank you for filling me on this information. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Which of the two programs in your opinion has the most users? SignWriter DOS or SignWriter Java? Which created the most documents? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> So if I understand correctly SignWriter DOS still has SSS-95 symbols.and SignWriter Tiger has SSS-99. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Do you know what kind of format SignWriter Tiger is using? Is it a binary file too?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Do you know if there is source code for SignWriter DOS? If it's available, it would be a lot easier to figure out how to read the binary file. What language was that programmed in anyway? C? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> So I guess if we were to read the SignWriter DOS files to convert to BSW or a XML format to be used with other programs, we would need to first figure out how to read the files and then write a conversion algorithm from S-95 to ISWA2010. Going the other way would be counter productive because SSS-95 is a much more limited symbol set and a lot of symbols in ISWA 2010 do not have a corresponding symbol in SSS-95.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> On 10/13/2010 11:08 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> The SignWriter keyboarding style is great. There is a steep learning curve that is worth the effort to learn. There are multiple layers of fine tuning that went into the SignWriter keyboard design over the years. Valerie and Richard Gleaves spent years improving the flow using a detailed symbol editor that controlled the default behaviors for centering and cursor controls. Different symbols needed different information that had to be manually created. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Unfortunately, SignWriter Dos uses dense binary files to store and retrieve information. There was a tool released to convert SignWriter Dos SSS-95 binary files to SignWriter Java SSS-99 data files. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> I believe SignWriter skipped SSS-2002. I think SW-Edit uses the SSS-2002. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> I started using the SSS-2004 symbol set, which became known as the IMWA. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> The conversion between the IMWA and the ISWA 2008 is about 99.99% accurate. Some symbols are slightly off center. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> The conversion between the ISWA 2008 and the ISWA 2010 is flawless. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Keyboarding should return. Eventually, we'll need to create an advanced symbol editor for the ISWA 2010 so that we can capture and process specialized symbol information for keyboarding. This will fine tune the keyboarding experience and improve a writer's speed and accuracy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> -Steve <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> -- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> _ ____ <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> /\ | | (| \ <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> | | __ _ _ __, _|_ | | __, _ _ | | _ _ __ __, _ _ <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> | | / \_/ |/ | / | | |/ \ / | / |/ | _| || | / |/ | / / | / |/ | <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> /| <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> email: <a href="/cgi-bin/wa?LOGON=A3%3Dind1010%26L%3DSW-L%26E%3D8bit%26P%3D3003038%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252Fplain%3B%2520charset%3Dus-ascii" >[log in to unmask]</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Cel: 9784-9775<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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