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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Stefan,<br>
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On 10/8/2014 8:43 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Jonathan ,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">I read your announcement
with great interest. </span></font></p>
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Excellent!!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Hm – I have to
admit that I do not understand the concept, the idea, the
advantage –
perhaps you can explain that a little bit more? </span></font></p>
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Let my try to explain it some more, but if you have more questions
please don't hesitate.<br>
<br>
As you know now in SignPuddle to write a sign you would use
SignMaker<br>
<img src="cid:part1.09080509.08080400@yahoo.ca" alt=""><br>
Where you choose symbols using the mouse in the 6 X 16 grid.<br>
<br>
The same with writing a document<br>
<img src="cid:part2.05010201.02060701@yahoo.ca" alt=""><br>
But with the added ability to write several signs and place them in
any of three lanes.<br>
<br>
So I want to use Kickstarter to raise money to pay for my work to
make a SignWriting Keyboard which can be an alternative to the
SignMaker and the SignText Editor. It will immitate closely as
possible to SignWriter Dos and people like you who have use it
extensively will be really important in helping me along the way as
the work progresses. And also pointing out any possible
improvements over SignWriter Dos<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">You show the picture of
the SignWriter DOS keayboard. Ha – I remember so many
situations that
are connected with my long hours to learn and to practice
working with this
program. So many emails und calls and questions to get the
printouts at that
time. (Hi Valerie – thanks again for your kind support in
1999 ) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Today there are not so
many experts who know about all the details and advantages
and the workflow... Well
I am one of these... </span></font></p>
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<font color="navy"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Well I look
foward to a lot of input from you then .... <span
class="moz-smiley-s5"><span> :-D </span></span></font></font></font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Now we do have SignPuddle
– the online dictionary pool for single entries for
several countries. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">We can make new signs
with Signmaker and use these signs within different other
Software – as we
do with our delegs programm<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">I understand that your
projekt is not easy to achieve and that it will take long
hours of
programming. In the end you will be able to
design/create/make a new entry but
instead of using the mouse you can use the keyboard. Is
that what you want me
to understand? </span></font></p>
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Yes that is correct. You will be able to use the keyboard instead
of the mouse in this keyboarding option. But the previous
functionality of SignMaker and the SignText Editor will still be
available as always to use the mouse.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">The result will be the same. There is another
entry in the
dictionary and now you can use some kind of translation
option of SignPuddle or
delegs in order to create a new SignWriting document
written from top to down
or from left to write (which is very important to me if it
comes to using these
documents within the context of education.)</span></font></p>
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Yes it can be another entry in the dictionary Puddle or a full
document to the litterature Puddle it will be able to do either
one. Then you would use it as you always have from there.<br>
<br>
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type="cite">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">The DOS - keyboard design
asks for pretty much experience if you want to create new
signs quickly. Compared
to that it is much easier especially for beginners to pick
a given symbol from
a visually presented collection of symbols. </span></font></p>
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If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the keyboard has
a steep learning curve and can be slower at first. <br>
<br>
So you feel that 6X16 Grid visual presentation of symbols in
SignMaker and the SignText Editor is easier for beginners? <br>
<br>
If the keyboard was always showing and the symbols were always
visually presented on the keyboard would this be the best of both
worlds?<br>
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type="cite">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
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lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">The nice thing of the
keyboard is that you can moove the individual signs
exactly up und down and
sideways – which is often a problem if you are dependend
on the mouse. </span></font></p>
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So is moving the signs exactly up and down what you miss most about
SignWriter DOS?<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:2450AD2DFA334D5F8DB549114CCFFCB5@nur"
type="cite">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Well you see – I would
love to understand the goal, the idea that this new effort
in creating a next
generation of SW-Software is of advantage compared to the
time and costs you
invest. </span></font></p>
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I am not planning on creating a full SW-Software here. Just a piece
that can be easily incorporated into current and future web sites.<br>
<br>
It is also an effort to help people like André Thibeault who would
prefer to type in the signs instead of using a mouse.<br>
<br>
He wrote:<br>
<br>
<pre style="font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Stefan, here is my answer: I mean that I intent to use a keyboard only for typing SW sign language. I would like to write again and again many LSQ sentences in many new documents without having to use the Translation Feature (SignPuddle). In a similar way, I use Microsoft Word to write texts in French in my documents. If the program developer does not offer the possibility to use a keyboard to type SW sign languages, I will be bored to use only a mouse for creating many SW LSQ words in dictionary entries.
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So this project is to adress this issue.<br>
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lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Nevertheless I love to see
all these different projects around this wonderfull
invention to be able to
write and read SignLanguage which has not been possible
this way before Valerie
shared her genious invention with the world. </span></font></p>
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Yes Valerie's work has been a blessing world wide. Thank once again
Val!!<span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Jonathan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">All best<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang="EN-GB">Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"
size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold"
lang="EN-GB">Von:</span></font></b><font color="black"
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext" lang="EN-GB">
SignWriting List: </span></font><font color="black"
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext">Read and Write Sign Languages
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Im
Auftrag von </span></b>Jonathan Duncan<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b>
Dienstag, 7. Oktober
2014 17:58<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b>
Signwriting keyboard
Kickstarter project idea</span></font><font
color="black"><span style="color:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi List,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> I have seen that over the years the request for a keyboarding feature like SignWriter DOS has been asked for over and over and over ... And we still don't have it. Back in 2010 Val suggested that I implement it in SignWriter Studio. At that time I was unable as I was getting the program up and running. So know I want to implement the keyboarding feature but I am thinking that it would be most useful for all of you if I did it for the web then ported it back to run in SignWriter Studio at a latter date.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">My idea is this create a Kickstarter project to raise the funds to make the program. It will be web page (SPA single page application) that can easily be included into other web sites. It will be open source so that other programmers can modify it and add more features if they like. Once I get it made then I want to incorporate it into Personal Puddle so that it will be very easy for Steve Slevinsky to add to SignPuddle online. (I am hoping he will be open to the idea). Think of it as an alternative to the SignText Editor in SignPuddle.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><u><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">These are the features I am thinking of implementing.</span></font></u><o:p></o:p></pre>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Keyboard
selection resembling as much as possible SignWriter Dos
but adjusted to ISWA2010<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Seeing the
full keyboard at all times something like this<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><img
id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part3.07020801.00070304@yahoo.ca"
height="324" width="759"><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Symbol
selection keyboard. (Sign Mode)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Fingerspelling
keyboard. (Fingerspelling Mode)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Setup and
customize fingerspelling layout.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Setup and
customize keyboard in use layout. (not everybody types
with a USA keyboard)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
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word-wrap: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px"><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><u><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">These are the features that we need to discuss </span></font></u><o:p></o:p></pre>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Typing text
into the sign (Alphabet Mode) See below<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Horizontal
Sign writting (How many of you feel that it wouldn't be
worth it without this?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
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word-wrap: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px"><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><u><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></font></u></pre>
<pre><u><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">These are the features that are not going to be part of this version of the project</span></font></u><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Write when
disconneted from the Internet<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Use of
mouse to click on keyboard or move symbols around.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Printing<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Use of
special fonts<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">For this to work I will need you help with letting a lot of people about our Kickstart project that that they may donate if they wish. If you want make some YouTube videos or other SignWriting related letters or information that you think could help people see the importance of supporting this project then please send them to me and I will add them to our Kickstarter project page. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">For those of you who are wondering how Kickstarter works from the site itself <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics#faq_62996">https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics#faq_62996</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<p
style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:
0px"><font color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">A<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><b
style="font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit"><font
color="#0f2105" face="inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold">project</span></font></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><font color="#0f2105"
face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105"> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">is
a finite work with a clear goal that you’d like to bring
to life. Think
albums, books, or films.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:
0px"><font color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">The </span></font><b
style="font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit"><font
color="#0f2105" face="inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold">funding goal</span></font></b><font
color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105"> is
the amount of money that a creator needs to complete their
project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:
0px"><font color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">Funding on
Kickstarter is </span></font><b
style="font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit"><font
color="#0f2105" face="inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold">all-or-nothing</span></font></b><font
color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">.
No one will be charged for a pledge towards a project
unless it reaches its
funding goal. This way, creators always have the budget
they scoped out before
moving forward.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:
0px"><font color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">A<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><b
style="font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit"><font
color="#0f2105" face="inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold">creator</span></font></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><font color="#0f2105"
face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105"> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">is
the person or team behind the project idea; working to
bring it to life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:
0px"><b
style="font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit"><font
color="#0f2105" face="inherit" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
inherit;color:#0F2105;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:
bold">Backers</span></font></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><font color="#0f2105"
face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105"> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">are
folks who<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><b
style="font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit"><font
color="#0f2105" face="inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit;color:#0F2105;
border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:bold">pledge</span></font></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><font color="#0f2105"
face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105"> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">money
to join creators in bringing projects to life.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:
0px"><b
style="font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit"><font
color="#0f2105" face="inherit" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
inherit;color:#0F2105;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0cm;font-weight:
bold">Rewards</span></font></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><font color="#0f2105"
face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105"> </span></font></span><font
color="#0f2105" face="Helvetica"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#0F2105">are
a creator's chance to share a piece of their project with
their backer community.
Typically, these are one-of-a-kind experiences, limited
editions, or copies of
the creative work being produced.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style="orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-wrap: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px"><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">We also have to think of what kind of rewards people in the Deaf community, people who use SignWriting and people unaquainted with sign language would appreciate most.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">My take on <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><b><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:
bold">Typing text into the sign (Alphabet Mode)</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I know this is one of the VERY big reasons people want the Keyboarding. I could implement it but I don't believe that SignPuddle has a way of representing text on top of the SignWriting. So you wouldn't really be able to use it until someone writes a SignWriting web site that supports text with the SignWriting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">How important is it that text can be placed anywhere as opposed to let say only below? How do we keep it from becoming messy switching between vertical and horizontal layout?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Look forward to all of your questions and comments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Jonathan Duncan<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">October 13, 2010<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hello Jonathan and Steve -<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Thanks for these messages. Richard Gleaves is the developer of the original SignWriter program, which was first developed for the Apple //e and //c in 1986, and was then transferred and developed further in MS-DOS. SignWriter DOS was our world standard program from the late 1980s until 1996, when Richard Gleaves stopped working with SignWriting, and started working for Qualcomm, here in San Diego, California. So Rich lives close to me here, and I will be seeing him in the next month, so we can always turn to Rich with questions if you need his input. I also have his Source Code, for SignWriter DOS here, which I will be happy to send to you privately. The last symbolset that we were using, at the time that Rich stopped developing SignWriter in 1996, was the symbolset called SSS-1995.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Then, in 1996, I hired a company that was using a new development language very modern and cutting edge, called Java. it was new then, and there was not automatic way to program printing from Java yet, but I hired a company to transfer the SignWriter DOS code over to Java, but it took longer and was a harder job than the company expected, and they stopped doing the development. So the end result was SignWriter Java, which cannot print, and it is only for one country at a time (SignWriter DOS can switch back and forth easily between countries)...so because SignWriter DOS is more complete, most people who want SignWriter are most likely still using SignWriter DOS using DOSBox, which is required in modern operating systems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">However, having said that, SignWriter Java still has the same typing system (keyboarding)...but it created new features that are NOT in SignWriter DOS...the biggest difference between SignWriter DOS and SignWriter Java is that the Java version allows some mouse work, where SignWriter DOS is solely keyboard - no mouse capability whatsoever.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">To learn about how to type using SignWriter DOS, read the documents on this web page:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">SignWriter 4.4 Instruction (how to type)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw44/sw44less/index.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw44/sw44less/index.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">(I can send you the source code if you want it)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">To download the sources for SignWriter Java, go to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download01.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download02.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download02.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download03.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw50/download/download03.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">SignWriter Tiger uses the sss-1999 symbolset. To learn about Daniel Noelpp Ly's programming of SignWriter Tiger, and to download his source code, go to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.signwriter.org/">http://www.signwriter.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The end result of all these beautiful programs were that between 1996 until 2004 when we met Steve, we had many developers graciously offer to help, but because the jobs were so enormous and more complicated than people expected, SignWriter DOS never got re-written well enough to become a modern typing program...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The typing system that Rich Gleaves and I designed works beautifully, and Steve was kind enough to implement some of the Special Command Keys from our design in SignWriter DOS, into Command Buttons in SignPuddle, for example for Rotate, which used to be the Rotate Key in SignWriter DOS, and the Mirror or Flop Button, that is the MIrror Key in SignWriter DOS...so I think users remember these details and recognize them from program to program...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">If you would like to learn to type using SignWriter DOS, Jonathan, let's get together on Skype, and I can teach you one on one how to type quickly using SignWriter DOS. If you can implement the same typing system in SignWriter Studio, that would be a miracle and make your program the obvious choice for SignWriter DOS users, because you will have the best of both worlds - SignWriter Studio would become the alternative for SignWriter DOS users -<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">By the way, go to SymbolBank for downloading these different symbolsets from over the years...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Sutton's SymbolBank<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/">http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On Oct 13, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan y Yolaine wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Hi Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Thank you for filling me on this information. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Which of the two programs in your opinion has the most users? SignWriter DOS or SignWriter Java? Which created the most documents? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> So if I understand correctly SignWriter DOS still has SSS-95 symbols.and SignWriter Tiger has SSS-99. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Do you know what kind of format SignWriter Tiger is using? Is it a binary file too?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Do you know if there is source code for SignWriter DOS? If it's available, it would be a lot easier to figure out how to read the binary file. What language was that programmed in anyway? C? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> So I guess if we were to read the SignWriter DOS files to convert to BSW or a XML format to be used with other programs, we would need to first figure out how to read the files and then write a conversion algorithm from S-95 to ISWA2010. Going the other way would be counter productive because SSS-95 is a much more limited symbol set and a lot of symbols in ISWA 2010 do not have a corresponding symbol in SSS-95.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> On 10/13/2010 11:08 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> The SignWriter keyboarding style is great. There is a steep learning curve that is worth the effort to learn. There are multiple layers of fine tuning that went into the SignWriter keyboard design over the years. Valerie and Richard Gleaves spent years improving the flow using a detailed symbol editor that controlled the default behaviors for centering and cursor controls. Different symbols needed different information that had to be manually created. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> Unfortunately, SignWriter Dos uses dense binary files to store and retrieve information. There was a tool released to convert SignWriter Dos SSS-95 binary files to SignWriter Java SSS-99 data files. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> I believe SignWriter skipped SSS-2002. I think SW-Edit uses the SSS-2002. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> I started using the SSS-2004 symbol set, which became known as the IMWA. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> The conversion between the IMWA and the ISWA 2008 is about 99.99% accurate. Some symbols are slightly off center. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> The conversion between the ISWA 2008 and the ISWA 2010 is flawless. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> Keyboarding should return. Eventually, we'll need to create an advanced symbol editor for the ISWA 2010 so that we can capture and process specialized symbol information for keyboarding. This will fine tune the keyboarding experience and improve a writer's speed and accuracy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>> -Steve <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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