<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">December 16, 2014</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi André -</div><div class="">I guess I could make a little video showing the head movements if you would like. I will try to do that in the next few days…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The D. movement is hard to explain with words - hmmm - think of your ear touching your shoulder on one side (stretching the side of the neck on the other side) and then the other ear touching your shoulder on the other side and so on…while you are still looking forward your head tilts (does not turn)…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think a little video will be better -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway - I do not know the Stokoe system. I do not know how much it is used. Other people will need to tell you that…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't believe that the Stokoe system is used to write sign language literature, but ask others… there may not be an exact correlation between the two systems - at least not for everything -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We already have some good documents on comparing Stokoe and SignWriting:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A Linguistic Comparison Between Stokoe Notation and Sutton SignWriting</div><div class="">By Joe Martin</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling008.html" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling008.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">PDF of the above</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs1/sw0032-Stokoe-Sutton.pdf" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs1/sw0032-Stokoe-Sutton.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and this article</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling001.html" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling001.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you, Joe Martin, for these excellent documents -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">----------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 16, 2014, at 8:52 PM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA" class="">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Thank you very much for the help.<br class=""> <br class="">I did not understand your English for D. Is it a forward-backward movement or left-right movement?<br class=""> <br class="">D. this is the MOVEMENT of titling back and forth - the face remains looking forward but the head tilts at the ears back and forth side to side<br class=""> <br class="">The illustration is not mine :( it is from a university LSQ grammar book I am translating to SignWriting notation to attract new sign writers.<br class=""> <br class="">Do you think it would be interesting to have a complete correspondance guide between Stokoe and SignWriting to attract new sign writers? Is Stokoe notation used?<br class=""> <br class=""> <br class="">André Lemyre<br class=""> <br class=""><div class=""><hr id="stopSpelling" class="">Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:42:55 -0800<br class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM" class="">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br class="">Subject: Re: Questions about Head movement symbols<br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List<div class="">December 16, 2014</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Referring to the attached diagram…A - F</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A. represents the movement of tilting your head so your nose is at a slant…but it is the MOVEMENT of moving into that tilted position, so it is the movement of tilting - you are still looking straight front but tilting the ear over to one side</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">B. This is a Face Direction Line showing the static position of the nose directed at a tilt but also the nose is directed up too - so it is an upward tilted position</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">C. This is a movement of the nose going in the direction of the arc finishing at the arrowhead.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">D. this is the MOVEMENT of titling back and forth - the face remains looking forward but the head tilts at the ears back and forth side to side</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">E. this is a MOVEMENT of TILT-TILT to one side - a double movement</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">F. This is a static position - it is a Face Direction Line, showing the direction of the nose, looking down and over to one side</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As far as writing the position in the picture - F is actually pretty close except it should be flopped because we are writing Expressive so from our own point of view, the person is looking over her right shoulder…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The person in the picture is not tilting, because a tilt is still looking front. She has turned her nose to the right and then down so F is a good one for that..</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another issue is eyegaze - sometimes writing eyegaze says a lot to give the feeling of a sign -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">PS. Nice illustration ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:45 PM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA" class="">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-family: Calibri; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;" class=""> Hello,<br class=""> <br class="">I try to write the symbol for the chin almost touching the shoulder. Which symbols should I use as a static position and as a movement?<br class="">Also, I would like to know the difference between the following symbols from a to f.<br class=""> <br class=""><div id="ecxinlineImage0" style="display: inline-block;" class=""><span class=""> </span><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" unselectable="on" style="display: inline-block;"><span id="cid:inlineImage0"><rotation.png></span></div><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class=""> </span></div> <br class=""> <br class=""> <br class="">Thanks<br class=""> <br class="">André lemyre<br class=""> <br class=""></div><span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-family: Calibri; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; display: inline !important;" class="">________________________________________________</span><p style="margin: 0px; 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