<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">February 4, 2015</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you so much, Yair, for doing this work and for creating a tutorial - The tutorial will help a great deal and I look forward to taking your tutorial!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">———</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 3, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Yair Rand <<a href="mailto:yyairrand@GMAIL.COM" class="">yyairrand@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I've added most of the new ASL translations to the keyboard. I had to squish the symbols in the "duplicate symbol" sign a bit, but hopefully that's not a problem. The signs for "Left lane", "Middle lane", and "Right lane" are a bit difficult, as they aren't made up exclusively of SignWriting symbols (the grey vertical line). <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wrote a simple <a href="https://806e8abcad89c3043886d9f62a7903edbba39fa1.googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB.html?SWKB-tutorial" class="">tutorial</a> on creating a simple sign with the keyboard. It really doesn't cover much, but I hope it will helpful to some.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Valerie Sutton <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" target="_blank" class="">signwriting@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">January 30, 2015</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Wonderful feedback, Adam - Thank you!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and thanks again to Yair for this keyboard -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">———</div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 26, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">I have been wanting to test this out, but have been doing several things and it slipped my mind. Thank you, Val, for reminding me. ;-)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I just tried it out. I like the fact that the keyboard labels are there in gray. It helps me touch type better since I don’t know the layout very well yet. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Shift+NextSymbol and Shift+MiddleLane tricks were great to know because that really helps with the signs that have duplicate handshapes. Saves time from having to “construct” the handshape with both hands.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You said that Holding shift will also move and rotate symbols faster. I notice that will also reverse the fill order. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">About the English text labeling help, I like what Steve has done with SignText for a lot of those that you asked for. Below are some ideas (for ASL at least).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">* "Left lane”</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><img width="68" height="68" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="5C723B64-24B4-494C-9730-2E336F499410" src="cid:5BE23C21-FE23-4F7C-A8DC-4C4AED66A027@attlocal.net" class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* "Middle lane”</div></div></div></blockquote><img width="57" height="91" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="B81C00D2-149B-4364-B95B-AA0183A1C9DC" src="cid:7D4CAAEC-E2B0-4FDE-89A8-B8E37C92BDC7@attlocal.net" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* "Right lane”</div></div></div></blockquote><img width="55" height="66" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="7D4958A3-EAD6-40CD-A885-AB716AA984D7" src="cid:2823C704-3B6D-49BE-A142-E9404E193AD4@attlocal.net" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* "Next symbol" (or perhaps just "Next", if it won't fit otherwise)</div></div></div></blockquote><img width="52" height="61" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="DD3A6C21-5B5A-4073-A90F-12FB59FDDEBD" src="cid:3D8AFAE2-5521-42E4-BF4E-04D54474D970@attlocal.net" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* "Delete lefthand symbol" and "Delete righthand symbol" (or perhaps just "Delete symbol" or just "Delete”)</div></div></div></blockquote><img width="50" height="57" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="30A69A8E-8979-4947-9D58-11BB93CF590D" src="cid:D2839437-0C2E-4894-9C63-07847465D293@attlocal.net" class=""> and <img width="47" height="62" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="4008057D-C980-4DEA-BCF4-CCE732F08700" src="cid:E0FFA006-8634-4AFB-91AB-51BF577A1E60@attlocal.net" class=""></div><div class="">or</div><div class=""><img width="51" height="50" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="3F6912D7-D97D-47C4-9654-CDAC1C775720" src="cid:6516A6E7-5AF7-4442-A1B3-49BA957EC6AD@attlocal.net" class=""> and <img width="51" height="48" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="92ADE01F-4F72-44BE-BDFB-142EF8BB5C1C" src="cid:CB45D0D8-190C-4C79-88C2-E1F80F9883F6@attlocal.net" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* "Duplicate symbol" (or "Duplicate”)</div></div></div></blockquote><img width="99" height="42" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="5FFF522E-5D3C-4E19-954E-BFE010F895BC" src="cid:BB4E0940-9ADC-40C5-B48E-B7D19F099DFF@attlocal.net" class="">but it might be too big, so I tried a shorter version</div><div class=""><img width="68" height="38" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="140E0B04-4716-4963-A177-8AF4B20BDA94" src="cid:FB470042-60D5-4DF8-B4ED-F4AD8C2A73C2@attlocal.net" class="">but it also might still be too much, so I create an abstract version</div><div class=""><img width="54" height="39" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="12758147-E091-4523-B682-D0955EB27A00" src="cid:951E4600-B64B-42D5-B3B4-0D2C85EBF47D@attlocal.net" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* "Fingerspelling mode" (or "Fingerspelling”)</div></div></div></blockquote><img width="55" height="52" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="48E88AD8-50AC-49D1-8A17-BE424820B809" src="cid:14D6EB11-DC67-4A0B-BADB-F1F5A06AC984@attlocal.net" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* “Autocomplete”</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I’m not sure how to do that one yet.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* Something like "Swap sides", indicating that the left and right hands are switched. (I don't even know what to label that in English yet…)</div></div></div></blockquote><img width="78" height="37" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="E0C0099C-AE71-4903-AFC9-D604C16DB70E" src="cid:E40E5AA9-B458-4E10-94A2-4E02A93C1FE5@attlocal.net" class="">I took this from SignText. It is called Mirror symbol<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">* "Toggle plaintext”</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I’m not sure how to do this one either. I hope these help.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know that it is confusing for some beginners how to get the handshapes that they want. I was wondering if maybe adding some color to help them realize that the function of the keys. For example, you start with 5 keys that are to construct the active fingers of the handshape. Maybe by graying out the base symbol, it might help people see that they are selecting active fingers. It may be possible that only the top layer would be the ones that need this. Below is what I had in mind. It may be possible that only the top layer would be the ones that need this so that people can catch onto the idea that they are constructing the handshapes by adding those fingers.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img width="24" height="17" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="53FADBBD-E806-47ED-B023-CE5E0CAF9425" src="cid:C253C9B9-0745-48CC-A81E-7446AEA7A28B@attlocal.net" class=""> <img width="17" height="32" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="98CFD33C-B3A6-4EF2-B5A8-181551305161" src="cid:DEF0FBBA-ECA0-4CDB-875A-114B60DAC8B4@attlocal.net" class=""> <img width="17" height="32" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="C1E268F7-8F65-4B20-87F9-B56A7D6A0AE1" src="cid:3D460CBB-D30A-42D7-98C3-A5ABF52B0E81@attlocal.net" class=""> <img width="18" height="24" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="86A6FC5A-D3FE-4548-8E08-123ADEC81236" src="cid:29ADE835-C06A-4675-8D6D-8C6DF235C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