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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I do prefer SignÉditeur as a name instead of using a description for a nameless software.<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 12:53:29 -0700<br>From: signwriting@MAC.COM<br>Subject: Re: Need spoken language translations for user interface for SignMaker 2015<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br>SignWriting List<div>April 4, 2015</div><div><br></div><div>There are other programs called SignMaker too…that are related to painting building signs…nothing to do with sign languages...in fact there are several in different countries - there are similar names that are used in different professions - but if it is related to sign languages, then it is best not to use the same name as someone else, out of courtesy and kindness - we do not want to confuse anyone -</div><div><br></div><div>So it all depends on the subject matter - a SignMaker for making big signs on buildings is not the same as a SignMaker program that drags and drops sign language related symbols into a dictionary on a computer or iPhone ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>I could not find the two worded version you mention below but that is ok - if you would prefer, let’s keep your translation as it was, or keep it in English because that is the name of the program - in Brazil some people translate the term SignWriting to Escrita de Sinais but others just call it SignWriting even though it is a foreign word…</div><div><br></div><div>These are fun issues and nothing is too serious - that I have learned through years of experience - Did you know there are two SignBanks related to sign languages? One is ours: <a href="http://www.SignBank.org" target="_blank">www.SignBank.org</a> and the other is in Australia: <a href="http://www.auslan.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.auslan.org.au</a> - I think it is good and I am of course impressed with the Australian site -</div><div><br></div><div>I like the name “SignÉditeur” - later Steve will be using the term SignText for writing documents in the same program, and the name “SignÉditeur” kind of fits both </div><div><br></div><div>So now I leave this to you - whatever you choose is fine with me ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote><div>On Apr 4, 2015, at 10:52 AM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="font: 16px/normal Calibri; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;" dir="ltr">Hello,<br>you may try SignÉditeur. It has the same style as SignÉcriture where the É serves for both Sign<u>e</u><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><u>É</u>criture as in Sign<u>e</u> <u>É</u>diteur<br>It is clear and easy to use in a sentence.<br> <br>“SignCréateur” cannot be used because it is a spelling mistake to omit the e.<br>“SignesCréateur” is still a too strong statement because we write signs, not create them.<br> <br>I checked briefly in Google, there is a publisher called Sign Éditeur in 2 words... Do check, SignÉditeur may be unique.<br> <br>good weekend.<br> <br>André Lemyre<br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 22:25:25 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>Subject: Re: Need spoken language translations for user interface for SignMaker 2015<br>To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><br>SignWriting List<div>April 3, 2015</div><div><br></div><div>André -</div><div>Thank you once again for your donation of time and energy - you are amazing and we appreciate this French translation for the user interface for the new SignMaker 2015 program.</div><div><br></div><div>I have one thought…as you know, I chose long ago to create names for our writing system that have the first letter of two words capitalized and then the two words are put together in a unit…like SignWriting, SignMaker, DanceWriting and so forth…it is my way of creating distinctive names for the writing system that people recognize…</div><div><br></div><div>So when translating these names, there have been differences…for example, in Spain they say “SignoEscritura” but in Mexico and Central America they say “SeñaEscritura”… that was an interesting realization to see that there were different ways to say it in Spanish depending on the region -</div><div><br></div><div>And in French Switzerland they have a great web site:</div><div><br></div><div>SignÉcriture</div><div><a href="http://www.signecriture.org/Bienvenue.html" target="_blank">http://www.signecriture.org/Bienvenue.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>So here is my question…How do you feel about the idea of creating a special name in French for SignMaker? Could it be “SignCréateur”? or “SignesCréateur”?</div><div><br></div><div>I realize it may seem funny at first, but it might be a way to recognize that it is a special name… if not that is ok too - just a thought -</div><div><br></div><div>Steve - we need to make sure the Title will fit - some of these languages will be longer than others ;-))</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>--------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote><div>On Apr 3, 2015, at 2:40 PM, André L <<a href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="font: 16px/normal Calibri; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;" dir="ltr"> <br><font face="Times New Roman">Hello,</font><br><font face="Times New Roman">here are the corrections (note that SignMaker is no longer a proper name)</font><br><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 11.5pt;"> </span></p><font face="Times New Roman"></font><br><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><font face="Times New Roman"></font><table class="ecxMsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse: collapse;" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="249" valign="top" style="padding: 0cm 5.4pt; border: 1pt solid windowtext; width: 186.6pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"> signmaker</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="226" valign="top" style="border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: windowtext windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 169.7pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"> 'SignMaker',</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="163" valign="top" style="border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: windowtext windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.5pt; background-color: yellow;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;">: 'Créateur de signes',</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td></tr><tr><td width="249" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 186.6pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"> sameSymbolsLocation</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="226" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 169.7pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"> 'Same Symbols Location',</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="163" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.5pt; background-color: yellow;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;">: 'Mêmes symboles à cette position',</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td></tr><tr><td width="249" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 186.6pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style='font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'> </span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="226" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 169.7pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"> </span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></p><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="163" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.5pt; background-color: yellow;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'>Translation of: Same symbols at this location</span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td></tr><tr><td width="249" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 186.6pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"> baseSymbolsLocation</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="226" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 169.7pt; background-color: transparent;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"> 'Base Symbols Location',</span><span style='font-family: "Segoe UI", sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;'></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td><td width="163" valign="top" style="border-width: 0px 1pt 1pt 0px; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0) windowtext windowtext rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 0cm 5.4pt; width: 122.5pt; background-color: yellow;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;">: 'Même symboles de base à cette position',</span></div><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;"></span> <br class="ecxwebkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;">Translation of:</span></div><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 10.5pt;">Same base symbols at this location</span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font></td></tr></tbody></table><font face="Times New Roman"></font><br><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 11.5pt;"> </span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font><br><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 11.5pt;"> </span><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 11.5pt;"> blackOnWhite: 'Noir sur Blanc', should be with only one capital:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">'Noir sur blanc'</font></span><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 11.5pt;"></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font><br><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 11.5pt;"> </span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font><br><div style="padding: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span lang="FR" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 11.5pt;"> <span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 11.5pt;">whiteOnBlack: 'Blanc sur Noir',should be with only one capital:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">'Blanc sur noir'</font></span><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;"></span></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font><br>I offer to translate your user guide in French... I would use the previous guide as a basis to keep the already defined terms for French. If you have someone else, fine, then I can focus on my other projects for the Symposium...<br> <br>(You will need French videos also. It would be nice if someone could do it. This video should use the same technical term as the user guide).<br> <br>André Lemyre<br> <br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:08:10 -0500<br>From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET">slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET</a><br>Subject: Re: Need spoken language translations for user interface for SignMaker 2015<br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><br><div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix"><br>On 4/3/15 2:40 PM, André L wrote:<br></div><blockquote cite="mid:COL129-W66330CA81EF0351AA7F4F381F10@phx.gbl"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Hello, here is the translation in French</font><br></div></blockquote>Thanks André,<br><br>I have loaded your French translation. It is available under "More >> Preferences"<br><a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://signbank.org/signmaker" target="_blank">http://signbank.org/signmaker</a><br> <br><blockquote cite="mid:COL129-W66330CA81EF0351AA7F4F381F10@phx.gbl"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"></font><br><div style="padding: 0px;"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"> I did not understand 'Same Symbols Location' so I translated "the position of the same symbols".</font></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="padding: 0px;"></p></div></blockquote>The Same Symbols Location is short for "Find signs that have the same symbols in the specified locations."<br><br>Same Symbols will match symbols that have the same fill and rotations as symbols in the SignBox.<br><br>Base Symbols will match symbols that have the same base with any fill or rotation.<br><br>The "Location" search takes the position of the symbols in the SignBox into account when finding results.<br><br>The "Sorted" search uses the symbols in the SignSpelling Sequence to find signs that start with the same sequence.<br><br><blockquote cite="mid:COL129-W66330CA81EF0351AA7F4F381F10@phx.gbl"><div dir="ltr"><div style="padding: 0px;"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Also the distinction between Clear Entry and Delete Entry is not clear for me. Though their translation should be fine.</font></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="padding: 0px;"></p></div></blockquote>"Clear Entry" means to clear the entry workspace.<br><br>"Delete Entry" means to delete the entry from the dictionary.<br><br>Again André, thanks for your help. I'm currently working on the last few details for the new SignMaker. I will be posting the code soon. 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