<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr"><span>I tried the link and it took me to a point and click model on my MAC. I will have to try the PC. I couldn't get it to work at all. Sigh. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div></div><br> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8637"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8636"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <signwriting@MAC.COM><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:14 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: SignWriting Keyboard update<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8635"><br><div id="yiv0884114569"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8634">SignWriting List<div class="yiv0884114569">May 28, 2015</div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569">Charles and Adam -</div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569">The Rand Keyboard is BOTH typing with your fingers on the keyboard and also point and click with your mouse. It is both….</div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569">That is better than the old SignWriter DOS program, which has no choice.</div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569">And the RAND keyboard can type directly in text fields in modern browsers. That is also a big step forward. The old DOS keyboard is stuck within its own environment.</div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569">The Rand Keyboard is also using the current ISWA 2010, so the keyboard is related to the current symbol set.</div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8633">I still miss the SignWriter DOS keyboard design, but I am getting used to the Rand Keyboard design and like it too -</div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8638"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8639">Try using your keyboard with your fingers on the keyboard, Charles - it works for Adam and me - it should type for you too…it will be good to get your feedback -</div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8640"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8641">Val ;-)</div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8642"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8643">---------</div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432840191051_8644"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv0884114569yqt9028517285" id="yiv0884114569yqt84860"><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"><div><blockquote class="yiv0884114569" type="cite"><div class="yiv0884114569">On May 28, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Adam Frost <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0884114569" ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv0884114569"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv0884114569yqt9028517285" id="yiv0884114569yqt54396"><div><div class="yiv0884114569" style="word-wrap:break-word;">Actually, it is not a point and click. At least not for me because I can use the keyboard just fine with it. I wonder why it isn’t working for you to type.<div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569">Adam</div><div class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"><div class="yiv0884114569"><div class="yiv0884114569">On May 28, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0884114569" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote class="yiv0884114569" type="cite"><div class="yiv0884114569"><div class="yiv0884114569" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3863"><span class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3862">It's still a point and click, it is not the old SW keyboard where you actually typed sign. Typing, not clicking a keyboard, so you got used to where a specific key was. We have yet to match the simplicity of the old DOS program. </span></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3864"><span class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></span></div><div class="yiv0884114569" dir="ltr" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3865"><span class="yiv0884114569">I love </span>sign writing, I really do, as a written language. But when the best of the programs is still "point and click" you can't type sign at the speed of typing a spoken language, until we can, we will lag far behind. </div><div class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3866"> </div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3868"><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3867">Charles Butler<br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0884114569" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569">240-764-5748<br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569">Clear writing moves business forward.</div></div><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"> <div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3888" style="font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3887" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv0884114569" dir="ltr" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3886"> <hr class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3885" size="1"> <font class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3889" size="2" face="Arial"> <b class="yiv0884114569"><span class="yiv0884114569" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0884114569" ymailto="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"> <b class="yiv0884114569"><span class="yiv0884114569" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0884114569" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"> <b class="yiv0884114569"><span class="yiv0884114569" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:24 PM<br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"> <b class="yiv0884114569"><span class="yiv0884114569" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: SignWriting Keyboard update<br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv0884114569y_msg_container" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3890"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569"><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3892">SignWriting List<div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3891">May 27, 2015</div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3893"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3894">I have no clue why, but the messages I have sent to the SignWriting List to answer Yair’s posting below, have not made it to the SignWriting List, while other messages have made it - so who knows why? The Listserve software that runs the SignWriting List must have a reason - maybe it was the graphic I had attached - I created a screen capture of my success using the Rand Keyboard - I am excited about the fact that I am able to type with the keyboard - this is going to be an interesting presentation at the SignWriting Symposium and thank you again Yair, for this development - Val ;-)</div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3895"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3896"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3897"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3898"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3901"><blockquote class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3900" type="cite"><div class="yiv0884114569qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569yqt7594318955" id="yiv0884114569yqtfd10905"><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3899">On May 27, 2015, at 1:19 AM, Yair Rand <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0884114569" ymailto="mailto:yyairrand@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:yyairrand@GMAIL.COM">yyairrand@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3903"><div class="yiv0884114569" dir="ltr" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3902" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">I fixed the bug that required clicking somewhere else and then back on the text box. Thank you for pointing out the bug, Adam.<div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3904"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3905">I've made some progress on getting it to work in IE, but it still has too many bugs to be usable there. Hopefully I can fix these in the coming weeks, and also do some work on getting it working in Firefox. <br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3910"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div><div class="yiv0884114569" id="yiv0884114569yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3906">For those who want to try out the script on a test page without having to set up a bookmark, you can use <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0884114569" target="_blank" href="https://googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB-ce.html">https://googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB-ce.html</a><span class="yiv0884114569Apple-converted-space"> </span>, which has the script built in.</div></div><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="yiv0884114569yqt7594318955" id="yiv0884114569yqtfd52854"><br clear="none" class="yiv0884114569"></div></div></div><div class="yiv0884114569yqt7594318955" id="yiv0884114569yqtfd25273">________________________________________________
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