<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">May 28, 2015</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charles and Adam -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Rand Keyboard is BOTH typing with your fingers on the keyboard and also point and click with your mouse. It is both….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That is better than the old SignWriter DOS program, which has no choice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And the RAND keyboard can type directly in text fields in modern browsers. That is also a big step forward. The old DOS keyboard is stuck within its own environment.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Rand Keyboard is also using the current ISWA 2010, so the keyboard is related to the current symbol set.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I still miss the SignWriter DOS keyboard design, but I am getting used to the Rand Keyboard design and like it too -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Try using your keyboard with your fingers on the keyboard, Charles - it works for Adam and me - it should type for you too…it will be good to get your feedback -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">---------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 28, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Actually, it is not a point and click. At least not for me because I can use the keyboard just fine with it. I wonder why it isn’t working for you to type.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Adam</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On May 28, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" class="">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3863" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3862" class="">It's still a point and click, it is not the old SW keyboard where you actually typed sign. Typing, not clicking a keyboard, so you got used to where a specific key was. We have yet to match the simplicity of the old DOS program. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3864" class=""><span class=""><br class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3865" class=""><span class="">I love </span>sign writing, I really do, as a written language. But when the best of the programs is still "point and click" you can't type sign at the speed of typing a spoken language, until we can, we will lag far behind. </div><div class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3866" class=""> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3868" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3867" class="">Charles Butler<br class=""><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" class="">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br class="">240-764-5748<br class="">Clear writing moves business forward.</div></div><br class=""> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3888" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3887" class=""> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3886" class=""> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3885" class=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3889" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM" class="">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:24 PM<br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: SignWriting Keyboard update<br class=""> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3890"><br class=""><div id="yiv5811942319" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3892" class="">SignWriting List<div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3891">May 27, 2015</div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3893"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3894">I have no clue why, but the messages I have sent to the SignWriting List to answer Yair’s posting below, have not made it to the SignWriting List, while other messages have made it - so who knows why? The Listserve software that runs the SignWriting List must have a reason - maybe it was the graphic I had attached - I created a screen capture of my success using the Rand Keyboard - I am excited about the fact that I am able to type with the keyboard - this is going to be an interesting presentation at the SignWriting Symposium and thank you again Yair, for this development - Val ;-)</div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3895"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3896"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3897"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3898"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3901" class=""><blockquote class="yiv5811942319" type="cite" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3900"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="yiv5811942319yqt7594318955" id="yiv5811942319yqtfd10905"><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3899">On May 27, 2015, at 1:19 AM, Yair Rand <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5811942319" ymailto="mailto:yyairrand@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:yyairrand@GMAIL.COM">yyairrand@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3903"><div class="yiv5811942319" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3902">I fixed the bug that required clicking somewhere else and then back on the text box. Thank you for pointing out the bug, Adam.<div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3904"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3905">I've made some progress on getting it to work in IE, but it still has too many bugs to be usable there. Hopefully I can fix these in the coming weeks, and also do some work on getting it working in Firefox. <br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3910"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div><div class="yiv5811942319" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1432827855516_3906">For those who want to try out the script on a test page without having to set up a bookmark, you can use <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5811942319" target="_blank" href="https://googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB-ce.html">https://googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB-ce.html</a><span class="yiv5811942319Apple-converted-space"> </span>, which has the script built in.</div></div><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="yiv5811942319yqt7594318955" id="yiv5811942319yqtfd52854"><br clear="none" class="yiv5811942319"></div></div></div><div class="yiv5811942319yqt7594318955" id="yiv5811942319yqtfd25273">________________________________________________
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