<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">June 10, 2015</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Bill and Steve -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes. This was my choice in the design of the ISWA 2010, just so you know it is not connected to Steve’s programming. Why do the arm lines look like that? Because in older software, we only had 8 possible rotation positions - 8 possible slots to put symbols in, to make the Rotation Button work. And this became the standard for the ISWA 2010.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The 8 angles to create a good Rotation Button works well for most of the hand symbols and most of the arrows - but for some symbols we do not have enough positions to fill all 8 slots to make a perfect rotation…this of course creates an uneven rotation experience for the user, but they will still find the symbol they need. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And in other cases, we have the need for more positions that 8 - and the arm lines were one of those cases -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When it comes to arms …sometimes we need “in-between" arm lines at in-between angles…We do not need the arm line that is straight up and down twice - we instead needed it only once, which is the first one in the rotation wheel, but we did need an angle that was slightly between straight up and the corner diagonal, since in sign languages sometimes those arm lines are needed</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So since we did not have 16 slots available for the rotations of arm lines, I put the angles that were needed for writing, but of course that does not make a perfect rotation experience - People who know the ISWA 2010, realize these inconsistencies but still get by, by finding the symbol they need anyway, so they can write their sign.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The real point to the new SignMaker 2015 is that it is using the ISWA 2010 with TrueType instead of the older PNG and SVG systems, for the first time. TrueType has some advantages. But we have not changed the ISWA 2010 itself.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regarding the ISWA 2010, no one has to tell me that it could be changed or improved or enlarged or condensed (smile ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We all know that - ha!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But it is where we are at this moment, and we are trying to bring everyone a great experience on smartphones, tablets and computers…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Glad to hear you have tried it on Mint Linux, Bill - I have never heard of that operating system!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-----------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stephen E Slevinski Jr <<a href="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET" class="">slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/10/15 3:23 PM, Bill Reese wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote cite="mid:55789CD5.3040603@tampabay.rr.com" type="cite" class="">Steve,
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I started to play around a bit with Signmaker and copied the ASL
sign for "Day" from the menu on the left. I selected the
horizontal line that represents the left arm and started to rotate
it. Holding the left end where it was, it started to rotate the
right end clockwise through 90 degrees. But, when I rotated it
one more time, the right end snapped back to where it had
originally started and the left end was rotated from it's original
position counter-clockwise about 15 deg. I then selected the
vertical line in that sign and it similarly didn't rotate as
expected. Is this a feature?
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The rotation is based on the setup of the ISWA 2010. The arms have
a different feel to the rotation that arrows and hands.<br class="">
<img width="51" height="70" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="8488F1C6-F6FC-486A-BFE7-D5D637B90663" src="cid:part1.08000204.05080808@signpuddle.net" class=""><br class="">
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Here's how the arm rotations look.<br class="">
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<img width="35" height="198" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="C0ACA33A-4C4D-4E62-9AD9-E86AD1CA407F" src="cid:part2.02080302.02080108@signpuddle.net" class=""><br class="">
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If you mirror the arms, here's the other rotations.<br class="">
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<img width="35" height="198" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="259EF533-6918-4327-8438-62723DAEAC5C" src="cid:part3.09050506.07060304@signpuddle.net" class=""><br class="">
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I can see how the arms wouldn't rotate as expected, but this is
working as designed. You can see the same rotation in the old
SignMaker in SignPuddle.<br class="">
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<blockquote cite="mid:55789CD5.3040603@tampabay.rr.com" type="cite" class="">I'm
using Firefox on Mint Linux, Petra distro, if that helps.
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Thanks for including the OS and browser info. That's always helpful
and interesting.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
-Steve<br class="">
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