<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">July 23, 2015</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Adrean!</div><div class="">Thank you for this great message - it very meaningful and I wholeheartedly agree with you!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I look forward to answering in more detail next week.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are no walls or barriers. Everything in SignWriting is 100 per cent free - no cost, and no restrictions. Everyone is free to use the system as they wish…and of course there are other systems, such as ASLwrite, which is very beautiful. Thank you for ASLwrite!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All writing systems for sign languages should be supported and encouraged because writing sign languages is beneficial for the world -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So right now, we are in an intermission between our presentations. Day 3 of the SignWriting Symposium is being presented right now. I apologize that we do not have ASL interpreting this year. Last year, Adam Frost interpreted all of the English-speaking sessions into ASL, in the 2014 Symposium, but this year we decided to record the presentation LIVE and then add the interpretation later - Because the videos will be up on the web for generations to come.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I cannot tell you how much I want to add different language interpretations of the presentations - not only for ASL but to add Portuguese Sign Language and Brazilian Sign Language and Arabic Sign Language interpreters, and to also add captions in the spoken languages of these countries, because we need real communication to discuss writing sign languages - this year there are 8 countries presenting, and last year we had 12 countries, and because of lack of funds I have not been able to do all the 32 hours of video from last year……but we will definitely do it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So we have a lot of software development around the world and the next two presentations today is about software development - one new program is ongoing in Brazil…that is Session 2 coming up at the half hour…and then Steve Slevinski, the developer of SignPuddle Online, will be presenting his new work, called SignMaker 2015.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope everyone can watch:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Watch on Google Hangouts:</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/2015/Google_Hangouts.html#Day3" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/2015/Google_Hangouts.html#Day3</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Watch on YouTube</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/2015/Live_Streaming.html#Day3" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/2015/Live_Streaming.html#Day3</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We will talk more, Adrean - and thank you for writing!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Adrean Clark <<a href="mailto:adreanaline@GMAIL.COM" class="">adreanaline@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">This email has been on my mind for the last couple of days. What I'm about to write may be heresy but please bear with me. :)<div class="gmail_extra"><br class="">"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,128);font-family:Arial;font-size:13.3333330154419px" class="">Well as long as we ask people and teachers who already got the chance to overcome their prejudice..."</span><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><br class="">There's two different kinds of prejudice -- the first is against written sign language in general, and the second is against a certain method or several methods of writing. It's important to recognize the difference because they each require a unique response. </div><div class="gmail_signature"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_signature">If someone is against writing SL in general, then we can demonstrate how it's possible. However, that person may not always respond to the method that we choose to demonstrate with. It would be like using a hammer to drive in a screw -- which could work but leaves the wrong impression on the listener.</div><div class="gmail_signature"><br class="">Which brings me to the next comment: <br class=""><br class="">"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,128);font-family:Arial;font-size:13.3333330154419px" class="">Would be soooo tremendously important to find out whether there is any chance to reach out to people who do ot see any sense, desire ..to put any effort in learning to become familiar with SignWriting. .."<br class=""></span><br class="">I was one of those people who had no desire to put in the effort to learn Signwriting. My first memorable experience with Signwriting was back in my Gallaudet days. Someone gave me a publication that had a block of Signwriting text in it. I remember being excited about the possibility of writing in ASL but my excitement was immediately tempered with the inaccessibility of the text. This was back around 1997 so the information wasn't easily obtainable. <br class=""><br class="">Many years later, I came across the Signwriting website and the opposite happened. It was information overload. My eyes (sensibilities) had also changed with the intervening years. I'm a graphic designer/illustrator by trade -- in a nutshell my job is to take complex concepts and turn them into appealing and accessible images. Signwriting's shapes to me are too rough for easy reading. It's not an enjoyable experience, so I gave up at that point.<br class=""><br class="">However, I didn't give up on written SL in general. This is because of my comics work. It drove me nuts that other artists could write comics in their native language and I couldn't. ASLwrite gave me the ability to quickly create full ASL dialogue in 2D space. In a roundabout way it eventually brought me back to Signwriting, not as my chosen method for expression but as one that I could finally grasp and learn from. <br class=""><br class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,0,128);font-family:Arial;font-size:13.3333330154419px" class="">"How about if students in ASL – instruction courses for hearing as well as parents of deaf students would simply ask the teacher/instructor to offer reasonable materials written in SignWriting. </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,128);font-family:Arial;font-size:13.3333330154419px" class="">SignWriting competence should become a subject in education for coming teachers for deaf students and for SignLanguage instructors... interpreters...</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,128);font-family:Arial;font-size:13.3333330154419px" class="">"</span></div><div class="gmail_signature"><br class="">This is where I went hmm... It's good that we champion the methods that we like, but not at the expense of others. This is probably already an unwritten understanding. The reason why I mention this is because I know I would not be able to handle long-term reading in Signwriting materials without the ability to use a font for easier reading. (Perhaps even Signwriting with an ASLwrite font!) I wouldn't feel comfortable if my instructor required the text even though I would probably do the same! Human nature, that. :)<br class=""><br class="">Now back to my main point about the two different types of prejudice. Perhaps the first step to dismantling the general resistance to written SL is to construct a framework, whether physical or mental, where the evidence for a written SL is clear. Then within that framework the second step would be to provide access to several written SL to see which particular one best fits the individual or group. Not everyone responds to a certain method, however, once one method is learned it can benefit another. It's when walls are constructed around methods that problems arise. <br class=""><br class="">In closing, Stephen's comments opened up the question on why people are resistant to Signwriting. I hope my brief story helps a bit. It's been inspiring to see the body of work and the community here. I have a lot of respect for that.<br class=""><br class="">What do you all think? I look forward to your thoughts --<br class=""><br class="">‿·⪦˒˒<br class=""><br class="">*****<br class="">Adrean Clark<br class=""><br class="">Author and Artist<br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.adreanclark.com/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.adreanclark.com</a></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Stefan Woehrmann <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" target="_blank" class="">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class="">Hi Valerie and friends, <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class="">I am following the
presentation 42.. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class="">Well as long as we ask
people and teachers who already got the chance to overcome their prejudice and
who got the chance to feel happy about their own positive experience while
learning and teaching with support of SignWriting materials ... we should not
be surprised to get a positive feedback. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class="">Would be soooo
tremendously important to find out whether there is any chance to reach out to
people who do ot see any sense, desire ..to put any effort in learning to
become familiar with SignWriting. ..<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class="">How about if students in
ASL – instruction courses for hearing as well as parents of deaf students
would simply ask the teacher/instructor to offer reasonable materials written
in SignWriting. SignWriting competence should become a subject in education for
coming teachers for deaf students and for SignLanguage instructors... interpreters...
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class="">All Best <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy" class="">Stefan</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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