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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Val, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m following the actual
presentation of Ronnie... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well Valerie you informed
about the possibilities of the delegs Programm perfectly!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for that!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 23. Juli
2015 18:15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Presentation 42</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>July 23, 2015<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>Hello Adrean!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you for this great message - it very meaningful and I
wholeheartedly agree with you!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I look forward to answering in more detail next week.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There are no walls or barriers. Everything in SignWriting is 100 per
cent free - no cost, and no restrictions. Everyone is free to use the system as
they wish…and of course there are other systems, such as ASLwrite, which is
very beautiful. Thank you for ASLwrite!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>All writing systems for sign languages should be supported and
encouraged because writing sign languages is beneficial for the world -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So right now, we are in an intermission between our presentations. Day
3 of the SignWriting Symposium is being presented right now. I apologize that
we do not have ASL interpreting this year. Last year, Adam Frost interpreted
all of the English-speaking sessions into ASL, in the 2014 Symposium, but this
year we decided to record the presentation LIVE and then add the interpretation
later - Because the videos will be up on the web for generations to come.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I cannot tell you how much I want to add different language
interpretations of the presentations - not only for ASL but to add Portuguese
Sign Language and Brazilian Sign Language and Arabic Sign Language
interpreters, and to also add captions in the spoken languages of these
countries, because we need real communication to discuss writing sign languages
- this year there are 8 countries presenting, and last year we had 12
countries, and because of lack of funds I have not been able to do all the 32
hours of video from last year……but we will definitely do it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So we have a lot of software development around the world and the next
two presentations today is about software development - one new program is
ongoing in Brazil…that is Session 2 coming up at the half hour…and then Steve
Slevinski, the developer of SignPuddle Online, will be presenting his new work,
called SignMaker 2015.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I hope everyone can watch:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Watch on Google Hangouts:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/2015/Google_Hangouts.html#Day3">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/2015/Google_Hangouts.html#Day3</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Watch on YouTube<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We will talk more, Adrean - and thank you for writing!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Adrean Clark <<a
href="mailto:adreanaline@GMAIL.COM">adreanaline@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This email has been on my mind for the last couple of days. What I'm
about to write may be heresy but please bear with me. :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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"</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well as long as we ask people and teachers
who already got the chance to overcome their prejudice..."</span></font><br
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There's two different kinds of prejudice -- the first is against written sign
language in general, and the second is against a certain method or several
methods of writing. It's important to recognize the difference because they
each require a unique response. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If someone is against writing SL in general, then we can demonstrate
how it's possible. However, that person may not always respond to the method
that we choose to demonstrate with. It would be like using a hammer to drive in
a screw -- which could work but leaves the wrong impression on the listener.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Which brings me to the next comment: <br>
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"</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would be soooo tremendously important to
find out whether there is any chance to reach out to people who do ot see any
sense, desire ..to put any effort in learning to become familiar with
SignWriting. .."<br>
</span></font><br>
I was one of those people who had no desire to put in the effort to learn
Signwriting. My first memorable experience with Signwriting was back in my
Gallaudet days. Someone gave me a publication that had a block of Signwriting
text in it. I remember being excited about the possibility of writing in ASL
but my excitement was immediately tempered with the inaccessibility of the
text. This was back around 1997 so the information wasn't easily
obtainable. <br>
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Many years later, I came across the Signwriting website and the opposite
happened. It was information overload. My eyes (sensibilities) had also changed
with the intervening years. I'm a graphic designer/illustrator by trade -- in a
nutshell my job is to take complex concepts and turn them into appealing and
accessible images. Signwriting's shapes to me are too rough for easy reading.
It's not an enjoyable experience, so I gave up at that point.<br>
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However, I didn't give up on written SL in general. This is because of my
comics work. It drove me nuts that other artists could write comics in their
native language and I couldn't. ASLwrite gave me the ability to quickly create
full ASL dialogue in 2D space. In a roundabout way it eventually brought me
back to Signwriting, not as my chosen method for expression but as one that I
could finally grasp and learn from. <br>
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<font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>"How about if students in ASL – instruction courses for
hearing as well as parents of deaf students would simply ask the
teacher/instructor to offer reasonable materials written in
SignWriting. SignWriting competence should become a subject in education
for coming teachers for deaf students and for SignLanguage instructors...
interpreters..."</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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This is where I went hmm... It's good that we champion the methods that we
like, but not at the expense of others. This is probably already an unwritten
understanding. The reason why I mention this is because I know I would not be
able to handle long-term reading in Signwriting materials without the ability
to use a font for easier reading. (Perhaps even Signwriting with an ASLwrite
font!) I wouldn't feel comfortable if my instructor required the text even
though I would probably do the same! Human nature, that. :)<br>
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Now back to my main point about the two different types of prejudice. Perhaps the
first step to dismantling the general resistance to written SL is to construct
a framework, whether physical or mental, where the evidence for a written SL is
clear. Then within that framework the second step would be to provide access to
several written SL to see which particular one best fits the individual or
group. Not everyone responds to a certain method, however, once one method is
learned it can benefit another. It's when walls are constructed around methods
that problems arise. <br>
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In closing, Stephen's comments opened up the question on why people are
resistant to Signwriting. I hope my brief story helps a bit. It's been
inspiring to see the body of work and the community here. I have a lot of
respect for that.<br>
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What do you all think? I look forward to your thoughts --<br>
<br>
‿·⪦˒˒<br>
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*****<br>
Adrean Clark<br>
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Author and Artist<br>
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<a href="http://www.adreanclark.com/" target="_blank">http://www.adreanclark.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Stefan Woehrmann <<a
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Hi Valerie and friends, </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am following the presentation 42.. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well as long as we ask people and teachers who
already got the chance to overcome their prejudice and who got the chance to
feel happy about their own positive experience while learning and teaching with
support of SignWriting materials ... we should not be surprised to get a
positive feedback. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would be soooo tremendously important to find out
whether there is any chance to reach out to people who do ot see any sense,
desire ..to put any effort in learning to become familiar with SignWriting. ..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How about if students in ASL – instruction
courses for hearing as well as parents of deaf students would simply ask the
teacher/instructor to offer reasonable materials written in SignWriting.
SignWriting competence should become a subject in education for coming teachers
for deaf students and for SignLanguage instructors... interpreters... </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All Best </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>SIGNWRITING LIST
INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
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Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton@signwriting.org
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SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
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Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton@signwriting.org
<p>
Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu
<p>
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