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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Valerie and everyone, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>...mh ... for some reason
my emails I send to the sw-list show up here but do not show up in my own email
acount ..no idea... . I will try to run a few experiments on that with
different settings ... ..so please do not feel disturbed. Just igore these
tests and delete the messages that say “email test” ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regarding your answer... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>..well for some reason I
feel uncomfortable with the way this topic about how to create SW-documents is
discussed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I get the feeling as if
there is a good and not so good method. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The good method would be
to write from scratch every new sign just as if we are creating entries for the
SinPuddle –Dictionary. Well in this case we definitely have to look for
all the symbols and have to arange them in a way tht we feel what seems to be
a good spelling. We are always in the dilemma to decide how much is neccessary
and what is too much in order to allow the reader a very fast and fluent
reading without guessing or even not knowing...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The “not so good”
method would be to use this workaround ...type the words of a spoken language
and ask for the given entries in the dictionary ... Just the way we write our
documents with this wonderfulö delegs Programm (Translation from Searchword- line
to SignWriting-line) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well I do not agree. From
my point of view I can say that there is no way to memorize all the 24000 signs
that are already stored in the German SignPuddle. Well most of them are written
by me myself but nevertheless I would not want to write any single sign from
scratch if this translation option would work. It is tremendously quicker
compared to writing every sign from scratch with any keypboard or mouse in the
world. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And that is definitely
big point. As the teacher of my deaf students I have to write every day, day by
day lots and lots of pages. I could not believe how it would be if there wasn´t
the dictionary in the background. ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So from my point of view
it is the outcome that counts. If people feel comfortable with the relationship
on how long they are working on a document and how many signs this document
will include ..fine. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since I wrote thousands
of entries in the last 15 years it is not a matter of practice it seems much
mor a matter of what I expect to achieve in a given time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now if it comes to the “Rand-Keyboard”
..no ... I have to disappoint you. I am far away of being able to write my
signs fast. Of course practice matters and it is so much fun to understand step
by step the philosophy that is behind the arangement of the symbols but it is
such an intriguing alternativ to copy FSW data from Signmaker 2015 or from
Signpuddle into the blank field of the “Rand-Keyboad” that I would
not want to miss this option. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Perhaps we can agree that
is is of great advantage if people are able to create SignWriting documents. It
is also helpfull if these people are able to master the “Rand-Keyboard”
in case there are minor changes to arrange. On the other end as long as we get
new and more documents written in SignWriting I do not care which method has
been used by the author. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How long would it take an
extremely experienced “Rand-Keyboard” typist to write the following
document with the “Rand-Keyboard” ...and if you compare this to
what is needed if you copy the FSW – code from a different soure ... wow
... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(Can you read it? –
smile ) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Take care<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftrag von </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 31. Juli 2015
16:14<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Please ignore</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>July 31, 2015<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello Stefan and everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I know you said “please ignore” but I
didn’t and I read your message!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yes, this message definitely made it to the
SignWriting List and I love seeing written signs on the List…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now with the new Rand-Keyboard for SignWriting, there
is a chance that we will be typing email messages directly in the SignWriting
script in a variety of email programs …I hope that will happen soon ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Jul 31, 2015, at 12:07 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <</span><a
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM"><span lang=EN-GB>stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</span></a></font><span
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