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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/15 9:58 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann
wrote:<br>
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10.0pt">Hi Steve, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<font size="2"><font face="Courier New">Hi Stefan,<br>
<br>
Sorry for the late reply. I'm back from vacation now.</font></font><font
face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">As you already know
I startet with the
"Rand-Keyboard" Prensentation ..and thanks to Yair`s kind
support I
am on my way to get more familiar with that although there
is still a long way
to go to really understand..smile <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<font size="2"><font face="Courier New">Hi Stefan,<br>
<br>
I've appreciated all of your comments and investigations of the
Rand keyboard. It is a very important development. I was able
to reference the keyboard several times when I presented to the
Unicode Technical Committee a week and a half ago.<br>
<br>
Your perspective and creations are appreciated.<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">My question to you
about FSW:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB"> As far as I
understand ...Your development of FSW -
Data allows people in the future to post messages written
in SignWriting on any
(??) website on the Internet once the Unicode symbols are
...what? </span></font></p>
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<font size="2"><font face="Courier New">Unicode is not a magic
bullet, but Unicode is the world standard. It is best to use a
Unicode solution for your characters. Formal SignWriting is a
Unicode string that has been stable for 3 1/2 years. You can
use Formal SignWriting on any website today with varying degrees
of work. The Rand Keyboard has a built in viewer that can be
used on most websites.<br>
<br>
<br>
As far as I know, there is no workable alternative to Formal
SignWriting. Some people still use an XML solution, but I
wouldn't advice new projects to use XML for SignWriting, unless
it's SVG.<br>
<br>
<br>
I recently argued against the Unicode 8 release.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/sign-writing-in-unicode-8-issues">http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/sign-writing-in-unicode-8-issues</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/thanks-to-the-utc">http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/thanks-to-the-utc</a><br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">People do
not longer have to open these documents in a special
SignWriting Program but
can look at nicely presented SignWriting notations. Is
that correct? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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That is the ultimate promise of Unicode, but not quite. <br>
<br>
In theory, I have been promised a bi-directional conversion from the
Formal SignWriting of today into a Unicode solution of the future.
That means that all of our current data would be compatible, but not
quite.<br>
<br>
Formal SignWriting correctly allows for the freeform positioning of
symbols. The user picks the position of the symbols. This design
feature has some frustrations, but the advantages far outweigh the
cost.<br>
<br>
A future Unicode design of SignWriting may not allow the freeform
positioning of symbols. People have talked about this for years.
The idea is that a complex font will handle what the sign looks
like. This will allow for people with different fonts to share the
same data and have the signs look different, but reasonable to the
viewer. I have been a skeptic of this approach from the start. <br>
<br>
So the Unicode process is resetting I hope. Some people are going
to try a future Unicode design. Others will investigate my 2
Unicode proposals. We are several years away from anything useful
in Unicode.<br>
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lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">I personally like
the freedom to create documents with
different workflows ...So to type directly with the
"Rand-Keyboard"
would be fun. On the other hand I do have a lot of
practice and therefore this
method is pretty effective, I look for a program that
"translates"
search-words by SignWriting-Entries</span></font></p>
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I appreciate different workflows as well. Whether it's the keyboard
or mouse, whether you search by spoken language or you search by
sign language with symbols, locations, and orders; the important
part is to write.<br>
<br>
I especially appreciate writing fast and touch-typing in
particular. I would love to have a touch-typing manual for the
Rand-Keyboard. The manual should be repetitive and thorough. After
several weeks of drills, muscle memory would start to develop.<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">...and look whether
YOU opened the option
to copy the FSW data. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Can you please
explain..what are the methods at the
moment to get this kind of Data? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">As far as I know: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">1) "Rand-Keyboard"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">2) SignMaker 2015<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">3) SignPuddle
(Dictionary)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">4) SignPuddle
Literature Dictionary (love that !!) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">There is the ASL
Wikipedia. You can get FSW data from SignWriter Studio. I
believe Rachel Channon will have the FSW data available with the
SignTyp linguistic coding system data set in the future.<br>
<br>
I hope to see others soon.<br>
<br>
One secret you may not know is that FSW data responds well to a
double click. This will select an entire sign. You can either
double-click the visible ASCII coding as above or you can double
click the SVG in the newer FormalSignWriting applications.
After you double click to select the sign (which may or not make
a visible change), you can right-click (or press-and-hold) to
access the sub-menu to copy the data. This works in the new
SignMaker 2015, the SignWriting 2010 Javascript Library, and
should work with the ASL Wikipedia and the Rand-keyboard.
You'll have different levels of success based on the operating
system and browser. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Last question ..do
not feel pushed...You think some
time the wonderful SignMail option will work again?? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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Smile. SignMail. Such a great idea, but such the wrong way I did
it. SignMail is not compatible with the new servers and the
enhanced security. I have investigated SignMail for several hours
and several days, trying to find a way to make it work. I have been
successful in the past, but this last time I lost the trail.
Somewhere in the middle, the emails go poof. I need to rebuild
SignMail from the ground up. Unfortunately, it's a lower priority.
Luckily, the newer tools are making development easier for myself or
another programmer who decides to tackle the idea of SignMail.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
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