<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">February 2, 2018</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you, Rachel and Charles, for your messages. I will answer you shortly, Rachel.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charles, here attached is a screen capture that is a .png format. I hope you can see the graphics this way?:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="E90B31AB-3ADB-4FA1-85CF-03E1FDE21CD6" src="cid:202E8F02-52D7-4260-AF73-55B634C8222C" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br class=""></div><div>-------------------------------------</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 2, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:00000009c7c21417-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">00000009c7c21417-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: "bookman old style", "new york", times, serif; font-size: 24px;" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1517578632362_10634" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1517578632362_10662" class="">I am unable to read any of Ms. Channon's symbols in her email on yahoo. Do they open better in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://gmail.com/" class="">gmail.com</a>. </span></div><div class=""></div><div class=""> </div><div class="signature">Charles Butler<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" class="">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: "bookman old style", "new york", times, serif; font-size: 24px;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">On Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:13 PM, "<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET" class="">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>" <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET" class="">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>> wrote:<br class=""></font></div><br class=""><br class=""><div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5454751637" class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv5454751637WordSection1"><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hello Everyone, </div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I have a new question โ this time about rotation symbols. In the lessons in signwriting book (maybe I should say bible<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif;" class="">๐</span>) forearm rotation is discussed starting on page 142. I am just having a hard time understanding how the symbols match with the actions.</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The problem is that I donโt understand what the arrows mean in the rotation symbols. I see that for example if the forearm points up, that is the wall plane and it is a double line. But if the arrow shows a movement to the right, what does that mean? Because technically the arm stays in one place and doesnโt move?</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">This is the set of signs that I am trying to understand: (S2df)</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><table class="yiv5454751637MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="945" style="width: 709pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr style="min-height: 73pt;" class=""><td width="59" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 44pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ก</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ข</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฃ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="52" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 39pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ค</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฅ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฆ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ง</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="84" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 63pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑จ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="65" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 49pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฉ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="60" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 45pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ช</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="56" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 42pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ซ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="60" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 45pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฌ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="92" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 69pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ญ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 46pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฎ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="56" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 42pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฏ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td><td width="53" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 40pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; min-height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฐ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">If I am describing these symbols can I say something like the following: (in all these symbols I understand we are talking about the right arm and it is in an upright position, pointing to the ceiling)</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In the first symbol, the thumb moves from right to left and the palm first faces the signer and then faces the viewer</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In the second symbol, the thumb moves left and down???</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In the third symbol, the thumb moves in a curve from left to right so that the hand is first palm out to viewer and then palm in to signer?</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The fourth symbol looks almot like the third</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In the fifth symbol, the thumb moves left to right and the palm of the hand is first facing the viewer and ends facing the signer?</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I am really confusedโฆ..</div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="yiv5454751637MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Rachel</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>________________________________________________
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