<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">February 2, 2018</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Rachel and everyone -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And Adam, if you would like to answer these questions, please feel free ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">These symbols work well, and they are explained exactly where you say, Rachel, on page 142 in the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook, but I can see that it was hard for you to understand the explanation there, and it has been hard for others to understand too, so you are not alone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, first for others to understand, you can download the Lessons in SignWritng textbook here:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Lessons in SignWriting Textbook</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#LessonsSW" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#LessonsSW</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You will find on page 142, it explains that the forearm is like an "axis".... a fulcrum...there is the axis and the rotation arrow showing movement around the axis...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can you view this video? I just made it a few minutes ago...I still have to do the captions and I wish Adam could make a little video teaching these symbols? That would be so much better than my videos...I still do not know how to get a video to show up in an email - I must learn that...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is a video link to YouTube...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://youtu.be/gBDFQRfd_rI" class="">https://youtu.be/gBDFQRfd_rI</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will write again when I have the strength and try to figure out how to explain them better than what is explained in the textbook already...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:12 PM, <a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET" class="">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello Everyone, <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have a new question โ this time about rotation symbols. In the lessons in signwriting book (maybe I should say bible<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif;" class="">๐</span>) forearm rotation is discussed starting on page 142. I am just having a hard time understanding how the symbols match with the actions.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The problem is that I donโt understand what the arrows mean in the rotation symbols. I see that for example if the forearm points up, that is the wall plane and it is a double line. But if the arrow shows a movement to the right, what does that mean? Because technically the arm stays in one place and doesnโt move?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is the set of signs that I am trying to understand: (S2df)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="945" style="width: 709pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr style="height: 73pt;" class=""><td width="59" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 44pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ก</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ข</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; 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font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ค</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฅ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฆ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="49" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ง</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; 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border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ซ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="60" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 45pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฌ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="92" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 69pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ญ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="61" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 46pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฎ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="56" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 42pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฏ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="53" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 40pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); background-color: rgb(221, 235, 247); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 73pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class="">๑ฐ</span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If I am describing these symbols can I say something like the following: (in all these symbols I understand we are talking about the right arm and it is in an upright position, pointing to the ceiling)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In the first symbol, the thumb moves from right to left and the palm first faces the signer and then faces the viewer<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In the second symbol, the thumb moves left and down???<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In the third symbol, the thumb moves in a curve from left to right so that the hand is first palm out to viewer and then palm in to signer?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The fourth symbol looks almot like the third<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In the fifth symbol, the thumb moves left to right and the palm of the hand is first facing the viewer and ends facing the signer?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am really confusedโฆ..<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Rachel<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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