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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you, Valerie! I was about to do a screen shot. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Charles, you *may* also be able to see the symbols at <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://signbank.org/SignWriting_Character_Viewer.html#?ui=en&set=key">http://signbank.org/SignWriting_Character_Viewer.html#?ui=en&set=key</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>the specific symbols I am talking about are on this page: <a href="http://signbank.org/SignWriting_Character_Viewer.html#?ui=en&set=key&sym=S2a2">http://signbank.org/SignWriting_Character_Viewer.html#?ui=en&set=key&sym=S2a2</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>and I installed special fonts on my computer which allows me to see the symbols within an excel spreadsheet, which has been an enormous help. The fonts are available on the signwriting website.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Rachel<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Valerie Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 02, 2018 10:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [SPAM] Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>February 2, 2018<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you, Rachel and Charles, for your messages. I will answer you shortly, Rachel.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Charles, here attached is a screen capture that is a .png format. I hope you can see the graphics this way?:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=959 height=113 style='width:9.993in;height:1.1805in' id=E90B31AB-3ADB-4FA1-85CF-03E1FDE21CD6 src="cid:image001.png@01D39C23.1165F7C0"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 2, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:00000009c7c21417-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">00000009c7c21417-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1517578632362_10634"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif'>I am unable to read any of Ms. Channon's symbols in her email on yahoo. Do they open better in<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://gmail.com/">gmail.com</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif'>Charles Butler<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in;background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:13 PM, "<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>" <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div id=yiv5454751637><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Hello Everyone, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>I have a new question – this time about rotation symbols. In the lessons in signwriting book (maybe I should say bible<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😊</span>) forearm rotation is discussed starting on page 142. I am just having a hard time understanding how the symbols match with the actions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>The problem is that I don’t understand what the arrows mean in the rotation symbols. I see that for example if the forearm points up, that is the wall plane and it is a double line. But if the arrow shows a movement to the right, what does that mean? Because technically the arm stays in one place and doesn’t move?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>This is the set of signs that I am trying to understand: (S2df)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=945 style='width:709.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='min-height: 73pt'><td width=59 nowrap valign=top style='width:44.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=49 nowrap valign=top style='width:37.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=49 nowrap valign=top style='width:37.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=52 nowrap valign=top style='width:39.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=49 nowrap valign=top style='width:37.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 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1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=65 nowrap valign=top style='width:49.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=60 nowrap valign=top style='width:45.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=56 nowrap valign=top style='width:42.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=60 nowrap valign=top style='width:45.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=92 nowrap valign=top style='width:69.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=61 nowrap valign=top style='width:46.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=56 nowrap valign=top style='width:42.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td width=53 nowrap valign=top style='width:40.0pt;border-top:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #9BC2E6 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#DDEBF7;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;min-height: 73pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>If I am describing these symbols can I say something like the following: (in all these symbols I understand we are talking about the right arm and it is in an upright position, pointing to the ceiling)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>In the first symbol, the thumb moves from right to left and the palm first faces the signer and then faces the viewer<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>In the second symbol, the thumb moves left and down???<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>In the third symbol, the thumb moves in a curve from left to right so that the hand is first palm out to viewer and then palm in to signer?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>The fourth symbol looks almot like the third<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>In the fifth symbol, the thumb moves left to right and the palm of the hand is first facing the viewer and ends facing the signer?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>I am really confused…..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Rachel<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></p><p>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></p><p>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1" target="_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a> 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