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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Valerie, I’ve started looking through the lessons. Several times, I see the statement: imagine that you have black ink on your thumb or pinky…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The problem that I have is that when the forearm rotates the thumb and pinky move in opposite directions. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In CLOSE-a-door, I start with my right palm facing left, and end with the palm facing the viewer. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The thumb curves OUT to viewer & LEFT. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The pinky curves IN to signer & RIGHT. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So should I use this symbol, which moves to the right: S2df0c because that looks like the thumb movement:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=56 height=51 style='width:.5833in;height:.5277in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image006.png@01D39EC6.9747E1A0" alt="Screen Clipping"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the pinky is doing?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=55 height=52 style='width:.5694in;height:.5416in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image007.png@01D39EC6.9747E1A0" alt="Screen Clipping"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And of course, the reverse question holds for OPEN-a-door:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Should I use this symbol, which moves to the right: S2df0c because that looks like the PINKY movement <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=56 height=51 style='width:.5833in;height:.5277in' id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image006.png@01D39EC6.9747E1A0" alt="Screen Clipping"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the THUMB is doing?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=55 height=52 style='width:.5694in;height:.5416in' id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image007.png@01D39EC6.9747E1A0" alt="Screen Clipping"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If I can choose whichever one I feel like, then it seems to me that I would not be able to say whether I was opening or closing the door. Am I thinking right?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If I am thinking right, then that is fine, and I will just list the rotation symbols as forearm rotation without trying to decide which way the forearm rotates. But if that information is there in the symbol, it would be good to capture it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Rachel <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Valerie Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [SPAM] Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols<br><b>Importance:</b> Low<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>February 3, 2018<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good Saturday everyone!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, this is a fun discussion on Rotation Symbols.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We are having electricity problems in my home (where I work), and an electrician is on his way to help us. I do not know how long the repairs will take, but it may be all day, so I will not be able to answer or discuss anything until tomorrow, Sunday. I look forward to it!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But one point while I can chat... We have some eLessons on our web site, teaching the Rotation Symbols in conjunction with other Curved Movements, and the eLessons use the wonderful illustrations by Steve Parkhurst (thank you again Steve ;-).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you go through each web page, and scroll down and read everything there, I think it might become clearer... Start with this web page:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(remember to scroll down)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and keep reading through this web page:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and then other web pages:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and an important one:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It explains where to place the Rotation Symbols...above or below the hands? See screen capture below. This is related to the Pinkie and Thumb - but that we need another discussion for - There are rules for that too, but they are not posted in eLessons yet and I think they should be...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Have a great day everyone!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=531 height=1078 style='width:5.5347in;height:11.2291in' id="_x0038_4AE9BD7-E41E-478C-A65E-BAB549B60058" src="cid:image001.png@01D39EC4.7409E320"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></p><p>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></p><p>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1" target="_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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