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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hello everyone. I had to stop and work on my taxes, but now I am back to thinking about rotation symbols. Here is my question for today:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The ASL sign BLUE rotates the right flat hand back and forth quickly. The arm points straight up. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The palmside of the forearm starts by facing halfway between left and the signer/writer. Then the forearm rotates so that the palmside of the forearm faces halfway between left and an imaginary viewer (or forward). This happens several times quickly. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The symbol that is used to show this is: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD;color:black'></span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><img width=57 height=63 style='width:.5972in;height:.6527in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01D3ACD4.501B5890" alt="Screen Clipping"></span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>The ASL sign COMPARISON rotates the right hand back and forth slowly. The hand is hinged or slightly bent at the big knuckles. The arm points straight up. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The palmside of the forearm starts by facing halfway between left and the signer/writer. Then the forearm rotates so that the palmside of the forearm faces halfway between left and an imaginary viewer (or forward). This happens one or two times. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The symbol that is used to show this is: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:SuttonSignWritingOneD;color:black'></span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><img width=41 height=59 style='width:.4236in;height:.6111in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image004.png@01D3ACD4.501B5890" alt="Screen Clipping"></span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>In my versions of these two signs, there is almost no difference between them except the BLUE is a little faster and the palm of the hand is flat, not hinged. To me, the forearm rotation looks the same. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'>So why are we using different symbols for the rotation?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'>Any help or ideas appreciated!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'>Rachel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages <SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam Frost<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [SPAM] RE: Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols<br><b>Importance:</b> Low<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I had just copied and pasted the image, so this time I saved it and attached it. Can you see it now?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img width=160 height=46 style='width:1.6666in;height:.4791in' id="_x0034_8F01ACE-D2C8-49CE-9FA6-99F935C7D91D" src="cid:image005.png@01D3ACD3.CE90A820"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 6, 2018, at 6:47 AM, <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>> <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have been hoist with my own petard. Others have complained they cant see my symbols, now I cant see Adam’s… Adam, would you mind reposting your email with the pictures as screenshots? I think I should be able to see those (I hope). Rachel<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Adam Frost<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, February 05, 2018 10:17 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><span style='color:purple'>SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [SPAM] RE: Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols<br><b>Importance:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Low<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have always been referred to as a man of few words. ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think there is another sign without any “obvious” hinge like there is with DOOR. Take the ASL sign for 16. It could technically be written as either of the following.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 id=canvasimage src="data:image/png;base64,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"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But if you were to ask a Deaf person which way the arm rotates, they will always say it twists outward rather than inward. So they would always choose the first writing. From a movement viewpoint, this is because the axial of rotation is actually closer to the thumb rather than the pinky. (The first writing has the movement focused on the pinky.)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>Adam</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 5, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM"><span style='color:purple'>signwriting@MAC.COM</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>February 5, 2018<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I love the way Adam explains everything is half the words than I do...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you Adam - keep teaching - it is an excellent explanation ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 5, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM"><span style='color:purple'>icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>From a purely movement symbol theoretical analysis view, both movements are the same. However, you are right that one has more of a focus on the thumbs rotation while the other has more of a focus on the pinky (or the baby finger as Val calls it). The reason for this is because it really depends on where the center of rotation takes places. With the sign for DOOR, the pinky acts as the hinge of the door. That is the reason the movement symbol that focuses on the thumbs rotation is always used.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>Adam</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>On Feb 5, 2018, at 6:16 PM, <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET"><span style='color:purple'>rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</span></a>> <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET"><span style='color:purple'>rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Valerie, I’ve started looking through the lessons. Several times, I see the statement: imagine that you have black ink on your thumb or pinky…<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The problem that I have is that when the forearm rotates the thumb and pinky move in opposite directions. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In CLOSE-a-door, I start with my right palm facing left, and end with the palm facing the viewer. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The thumb curves OUT to viewer & LEFT. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The pinky curves IN to signer & RIGHT. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So should I use this symbol, which moves to the right: S2df0c because that looks like the thumb movement:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><image006.png><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the pinky is doing?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><image007.png><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And of course, the reverse question holds for OPEN-a-door:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Should I use this symbol, which moves to the right: S2df0c because that looks like the PINKY movement<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><image006.png><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the THUMB is doing?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><image007.png><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If I can choose whichever one I feel like, then it seems to me that I would not be able to say whether I was opening or closing the door. Am I thinking right?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If I am thinking right, then that is fine, and I will just list the rotation symbols as forearm rotation without trying to decide which way the forearm rotates. But if that information is there in the symbol, it would be good to capture it.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rachel<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:05 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><span style='color:purple'>SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [SPAM] Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols<br><b>Importance:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Low<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>February 3, 2018<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good Saturday everyone!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, this is a fun discussion on Rotation Symbols.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We are having electricity problems in my home (where I work), and an electrician is on his way to help us. I do not know how long the repairs will take, but it may be all day, so I will not be able to answer or discuss anything until tomorrow, Sunday. I look forward to it!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But one point while I can chat... We have some eLessons on our web site, teaching the Rotation Symbols in conjunction with other Curved Movements, and the eLessons use the wonderful illustrations by Steve Parkhurst (thank you again Steve ;-).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you go through each web page, and scroll down and read everything there, I think it might become clearer... Start with this web page:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(remember to scroll down)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and keep reading through this web page:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and then other web pages:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and an important one:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It explains where to place the Rotation Symbols...above or below the hands? See screen capture below. This is related to the Pinkie and Thumb - but that we need another discussion for - There are rules for that too, but they are not posted in eLessons yet and I think they should be...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Have a great day everyone!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><image001.png><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________________<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Valerie Sutton 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