<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">February 24, 2018</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Happy Saturday, everyone!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you, Fernando, for the question. And thank you, Adam, for taking time from your busy teaching schedule to answer Fernando's question...your help is always amazing and accurate ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And hi Ingvild!- Thank you for your comment - I am glad you brought up our history together. Thank you for your influence on the development of SignWriting....I only wish you could come visit me again so we could work together again ... I miss you here... but we have good memories of that time...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nothing has changed since the development at that time, but I suppose it has evolved a little... The symbols are still the same and are relating to an Axis. When the Axis is the forearm for arm rotations, the movement arrows rotate around the line that represents the forearm. The wrist movements also relate to a "line that is representing the wrist (an axis)" and then the movement arrows are on one side of the axis or the other, depending on the direction the fingers take as the wrist stays still and only the hand moves up or down or side to side.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope to make videos that are not based on any spoken or signed language, but through mime and graphics, I hope to be able to teach how the body moves and then show a graphic of the symbol that describes that movement. I hope to start with these Wrist Movements, since they seem to be the hardest for everyone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook, these Axial Movements of both the arm and wrist are explained pages 141-150. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Download PDF of Lessons in SignWriting</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is page 150, that presents the Wrist-Flexing Movement. See attached...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="53D96827-5704-44C0-B595-07E61825B4FA" src="cid:DECE80FA-6B01-4FAF-AB35-6604075E89B5" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">--------------------------------------------------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 24, 2018, at 5:45 AM, Ingvild Roald <<a href="mailto:iroald@HOTMAIL.COM" class="">iroald@HOTMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Originally, many years back, I was the one asking for symbols for wrist movements. At the time, the little line were supposed to symbolise the axis and be placed near the wrist . Now I see the sybols used differently and in a more abstract or symbolic way, the line no longer directly being linked to the wrist as the axis of the movement. Personally I find this a little more difficult now, but thing changes and I claim no ownership, I just tell,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ingvild, Norway<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-------------------------------------------------------</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’m not sure exactly how the movement occurs, but I made two gif images putting the pair of images you sent together.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="04FF2EA7-8F69-4011-B144-93BD5E04D4E6" src="cid:42753F99-521A-42FA-8364-504FB61B6A4B@attlocal.net" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="28D113FD-40F0-4055-A6CF-53EF251EA560" src="cid:D3DE4751-0C7E-4A7E-B7E4-1BC1C15BBD5A@attlocal.net" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is how I would these if they were double movements:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="D5496359-6144-4DB5-8092-259203AD0DC9" src="cid:D206E818-466C-4191-A24E-B8A3A963B434@attlocal.net" class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Fernando UFRGS <<a href="mailto:fernando.carneiro@UFRGS.BR" class="">fernando.carneiro@UFRGS.BR</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_chip gmail_drive_chip" style="width:396px;height:18px;max-height:18px;background-color:#f5f5f5;padding:5px;color:#222;font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;border:1px solid #ddd;line-height:1"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVXfZjH5Si1-hvLBDEg88Y_eQu8wscMs/view?usp=drive_web" target="_blank" style="display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 0px;border:none;width:100%" class=""><img style="vertical-align: bottom; border: none;" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png" class=""> <span dir="ltr" style="color:#15c;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bottom" class="">expensive1.jpg</span></a></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_chip gmail_drive_chip" style="width:396px;height:18px;max-height:18px;background-color:#f5f5f5;padding:5px;color:#222;font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;border:1px solid #ddd;line-height:1"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/14xVTNkZNjPnIznJjE7n2aCKPHvvo4EG_/view?usp=drive_web" target="_blank" style="display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 0px;border:none;width:100%" class=""><img style="vertical-align: bottom; border: none;" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png" class=""> <span dir="ltr" style="color:#15c;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bottom" class="">expensive2.jpg</span></a></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_chip gmail_drive_chip" style="width:396px;height:18px;max-height:18px;background-color:#f5f5f5;padding:5px;color:#222;font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;border:1px solid #ddd;line-height:1"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XPz3lJDOFLo3NtwisPds_cf3kURz3iBD/view?usp=drive_web" target="_blank" style="display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 0px;border:none;width:100%" class=""><img style="vertical-align: bottom; border: none;" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png" class=""> <span dir="ltr" style="color:#15c;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bottom" class="">radial_deviation.jpg</span></a></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_chip gmail_drive_chip" style="width:396px;height:18px;max-height:18px;background-color:#f5f5f5;padding:5px;color:#222;font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;border:1px solid #ddd;line-height:1"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h6ckzdWQvhpWFALV6JflMc1i036XslWQ/view?usp=drive_web" target="_blank" style="display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 0px;border:none;width:100%" class=""><img style="vertical-align: bottom; border: none;" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png" class=""> <span dir="ltr" style="color:#15c;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bottom" class="">ulnar_deviation.jpg</span></a></div><br class=""><div class="">Hello my dear friends!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've been struggling with some wrist movements, such as the Ulnal and Radial Deviations (or Abduction/Adduction of the wrist). These kind of movements occur in the "expensive" sign here in Brazil, which I forwarded to you, attached as images.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was wondering: since the wrist movements available are for Wrist Flex (and Extension), how do I represent the deviations above?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards,</div><div class="">Fernando</div></div></div>
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