<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Rachel,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">These movements are on a plane that run vertical with the center of the body. The dot means that part of the movement is closest to your body while the rest is away from the front of your body. So the examples you have are actually the opposite since that part of the curve is farthest from the body.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now for the question you have about the pairs of arrows where the curve is written from the left verses from the right. Basically, they describe the same movement; however, they are useful in circumstances where the plane that intercepts the body isn’t a perfect 90º angle. That means if the curve comes from the right, then the sum symbol with the right curve would work better than left.<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 2, 2018, at 6:15 PM, <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET" class="">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>> <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET" class="">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello everyone, I have some questions about the sidewall curves.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="220" style="width: 165pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr style="height: 35.5pt;" class=""><td width="65" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 49pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 35.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="64" valign="top" style="width: 48pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 35.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="41" valign="top" style="width: 31pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 35.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="49" valign="top" style="width: 37pt; border-top-width: 1pt; border-style: solid none; border-top-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(155, 194, 230); padding: 0in 5.4pt; height: 35.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: SuttonSignWritingOneD;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image003.png@01D3E258.978128E0"><image003.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The full set can be seen at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://signbank.org/SignWriting_Character_Viewer.html#?ui=en&set=key&sym=S2b1" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://signbank.org/SignWriting_Character_Viewer.html#?ui=en&set=key&sym=S2b1</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">These are the four right handed curves that are named “Rotation Single hits chest”, or “Curves hit chest”. Stephen Parkhurst explains:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 2in; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">These two arrows represent up-and-down movement that curves toward the body. The basic movement is up and down, so the arrow used is double stemmed.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 2in; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 2in; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">The black dot between the arrow stems means that the hand moves closer to the body during its trajectory and then moves away.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">So for example, if you were describing a big belly, you might use one of these symbols. Or in ASL, versions of SANTACLAUS and THANKSGIVING might use the third or fourth symbols going down from the chin to the chest. The first and second symbols go up and out (toward the viewer) and then curve back toward the signer. The third and fourth symbols go down and out and then curve back to the signer.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">My question is: what is the difference between the first and the second? What is the difference between the third and fourth? Are they just style variations?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">I’d also like to verify my assumption that although these symbols are labelled as “rotations” they don’t necessarily involve a forearm twist, but rather the focus is on the movement of the hand, which could be caused by a forearm twist or could be the whole elbow-shoulder complex moving the hand in space. Do I have that right?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">Thanks! 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