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Hi <span>Sung-Eun,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/11/19 9:26 PM, Dr. Sung-Eun Hong
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<div class="ydp7c24ed2cyiv0869633282">The NIKL is
considering to use SignWriting in their KSL
Dictionary. If this really happens it is expected
that SignWriting will play an important role in the
Korean sign language world in the future.</div>
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This is great news. SignWriting is an excellent choice for writing
sign language.<br>
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<div class="ydp7c24ed2cyiv0869633282">We would like to
install SignWriting as a font (which I already did)
and to be able to copy, paste and edit it in any
software. This is important because only then it is
possible to search for SignWriting symbols in the
KSL Dictionary. <br>
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The font that you want is not available yet. It will be called the
"Sutton SignWriting Two-D" font, as in 2-dimensional. This font
will be compatible with the SignWriting in Unicode (SWU) character
set. I have outlined the project and development path for this new
font. You can read the grant proposal online. <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/slevinski/ASL_Wikipedia_2-D_Font_Development_for_SignWriting">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/slevinski/ASL_Wikipedia_2-D_Font_Development_for_SignWriting</a><br>
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This grant was submitted to the Wikimedia Foundation and made it to
the second round, but was not selected. We have looked for
alternate funding sources of this grant, but we have not been able
to identify any likely sources.<br>
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Regardless of funding, this project is on my to-do list and it will
be completed, hopefully in 2020.<br>
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A bit of background.<br>
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Consider the sign for SignWriting.<br>
<img src="cid:part1.987CBFF5.B541DFDA@signpuddle.net" alt=""><br>
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This sign can be written in Formal SignWriting in ASCII (FSW) as
AS10011S10019S2ea04S2ea48S1eb20S15a0aS29b0bM522x573S10019477x437S10011501x428S2ea04506x464S2ea48484x472S29b0b486x538S15a0a487x510S1eb20496x526.<br>
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This character string is useful for recording a sign, but it
requires SVG to view it.<br>
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Alternatively, this sign can also be written in SignWriting in
Unicode (SWU). If you have the Sutton SignWriting One-D font, you
will see the following character string.<br>
<pre style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: medium; white-space: pre-wrap; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><font face="SuttonSignWritingOneD">𝠀𝠃𝤜𝥏𝣯𝣇𝤇𝢾𝤌𝣢𝣶𝣪𝣸𝤬𝣹𝤐𝤂𝤠</font></pre>
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The string should look like this with the Sutton SignWriting One-D
font installed.<br>
<img src="cid:part2.C4CBF90C.121B1317@signpuddle.net" alt=""><br>
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In codepoints, the string looks like this.<br>
<pre>\x{1D800}\x{40012}\x{4001A}\x{4B7C5}\x{4B809}\x{45841}\x{421CB}\x{49A2C}\x{1D803}\x{1D91C}\x{1D94F}\x{4001A}\x{1D8EF}\x{1D8C7}\x{40012}\x{1D907}\x{1D8BE}\x{4B7C5}\x{1D90C}\x{1D8E2}\x{4B809}\x{1D8F6}\x{1D8EA}\x{49A2C}\x{1D8F8}\x{1D92C}\x{421CB}\x{1D8F9}\x{1D910}\x{45841}\x{1D902}\x{1D920}</pre>
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Once the Sutton SignWriting Two-D font is available, you will be
able to select the string, choose the Sutton SignWriting Two-D font,
and you will see the two-dimensional sign rather than the
one-dimensional string. With SignWriting in Unicode (SWU), both
fonts will be useful.<br>
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You can easily copy, paste, and search signs written in either
character set. Editing, however, has additional requirements.<br>
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With Formal SignWriting, each sign is written as a two-part word.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/a-sign-by-any-other-name">https://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/a-sign-by-any-other-name</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-slevinski-formal-signwriting/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-slevinski-formal-signwriting/</a><br>
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The two-dimensional placement of symbols is based on Cartesian
coordinates of X,Y values. These values are inter-related. Moving
one symbol can affect the X,Y values for other symbols. Because of
this, writing a sign requires a special editor.<br>
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<div class="ydp7c24ed2cyiv0869633282">I just found
something in the list archive about MS Word, but
this only strengthens my assumption that signwriting
can only copied as an image. <br>
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Yes. Currently, entire signs can only be used in MS Word as
graphics, either a raster image or SVG. This will be true until the
two-dimensional font is ready. Right now it is possible to use
individual symbols, recorded as SignWriting in Unicode (SWU), in MS
Word. Searching works as expected.<br>
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Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://SteveSlevinski.me">https://SteveSlevinski.me</a><br>
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