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<div>Dear Valerie! Thank you for your reply and excuse my late reply.</div><div><br></div><div>We found out that we can copy the signwriting symbols from SignPuddle to Word (but not to FileMaker Pro Advanced). That helps us for now, but we are still excited to wait for Steve's SignWriting 2D Font!!!</div><div>Thank you!!</div><div><br></div><div>Best, Sung-Eun</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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Am Samstag, 13. April 2019, 00:05:18 GMT+9 hat Valerie Sutton <sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG> Folgendes geschrieben:
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<div><div id="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div>SignWriting List<div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">April 12, 2019</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Hello Dr. Sung-Eun Hong!</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Welcome to the SignWriting List. Thank you for telling us about your project: the Korean Sign Language (KSL) Dictionary compiled by the NIKL. We are delighted to learn about your project.</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">And thank you, Rachel, for sharing about the SignTyp project (<a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="http://www.signtyp.uconn.edu/" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:purple;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.signtyp.uconn.edu</a>) which is an important project because SignTyp uses SignWriting as a linguistic analysis tool for 20 sign languages, connected with the University of Connecticut (UCONN). You can read more about SignTyp in several places on the web. Thank you, Rachel, for your pioneering work:</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">SignTyp Presentation</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0054.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0054.html</a></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">I skyped with Steve Slevinski this morning and he will be answering soon. Steve told me more about SignWriting Fonts. Steve was working on a SignWriting 2D Font, that will make SignWriting available in Microsoft Word and other programs, but we lack funding for the project so we are looking for funds right now to continue the development.</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Meanwhile we can search by symbols in many ways with other software, and with the current fonts we have, and there are so many cool things being developed. SignWriting symbols are in Unicode (Unicode 8), but the Unicode committee needs to work on improving the way it works for actual users...</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">I look forward to seeing the discussions here on the SignWriting List and thank you everyone for participating.</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Later I can share with you how I would write a document using current software if you would like - and also how dictionaries with over 20,000 entries, like Stefan Woehrmann's wonderful German Sign Language dictionary which can be used in SignPuddle and other software such as DELEGS software from Germany, to create documents ... There are good tools to use...</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">and just a side note - I love FileMaker Pro and used it for our SignWriting databases for years, and although it is not like the newer programs for SignWriting, it had great value as a SignWriting database program because we specially programmed FileMaker to do what we wanted it to do, and later I can share that with you too - If I have a month with a little funding for a FileMaker programmer to help me, I could update it to work with the current versions of FileMaker Pro too - although that is not a solution for the issues of SignWriting Fonts, it would also be a project that could be completed -</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Our future is bright. Talk to you later -</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Have a great day everyone -</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Val ;-)</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Valerie Sutton</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">---------<br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><blockquote class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" type="cite"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601yqt4640559742" id="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601yqtfd56624"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">On Apr 12, 2019, at 7:10 AM, <<a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="mailto:00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> <<a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="mailto:00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601WordSection1" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Sung-Eun, the SignTyp project has been using Signwriting with some additional information about how symbols are related to each other (for example, how the right hand is related to one location and the left hand to another). You can see our work at<span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="http://www.signtyp.uconn.edu/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.signtyp.uconn.edu</a>. Besides the sign puddles for over 20 langauges, there is information about the meaning of each signwriting symbol available as a translation spreadsheet. I have recently developed a method to create signwritings using a spreadsheet where information from one sign can be easily copied to create a new signwriting for a similar sign. However, this is very spreadsheet oriented and requires that the transcriber understand formulas/pivot tables etc. </div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Steve Slevinski’s fonts are very helpful and I use them in the spreadsheets often. I am able to copy a signwriting symbol from a spreadsheet to a ms word document, but I am not sure how to create the symbol within the document. I’m sure Steve has an answer. <span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I’d be happy to share information etc. <span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Rachel Channon</div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">From:</b><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages <<a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">On Behalf Of<span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr. Sung-Eun Hong<br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><b class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Sent:</b><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, April 11, 2019 10:26 PM<br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><b class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">To:</b><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><b class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601">Subject:</b><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601Apple-converted-space"> </span>Hello from South Korea</div></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Dear SW-List, </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Valerie invited me to this list and so here I am. </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><blockquote class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" type="cite"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">My name is Sung-Eun HONG, I am working on a corpus-based Korean Sign Language (KSL) dictionary which will be compiled by the National Institute of Korean Language (NIKL). </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">The NIKL is considering to use SignWriting in their KSL Dictionary. If this really happens it is expected that SignWriting will play an important role in the Korean sign language world in the future. Currently there are only few people using SignWriting in Korea. </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Anyway right now we are having troubles to add SignWriting to our database (currently FileMaker Pro Advanced). </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">I did explore the <a shape="rect" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" href="http://signwriting.org/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="color:rgb(25, 106, 212);">signwriting.org</span></a> webpage, which offers diverse softwares like signmaker 2017, Rand keyboard and so on. I am not very familiar with computer stuff, but I couldn't find anything which would allow me to copy SignWriting symbols from signmaker to programms like word, excel or FileMaker. SignMaker's output is an image and the Rand keybord seems to be a tool for the internet (chatrooms, wikipedia). I also know about signpuddle, but it looks to me like an internet dictionary, where I can save my signwriting entries.</span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">We would like to install SignWriting as a font (which I already did) and to be able to copy, paste and edit it in any software. This is important because only then it is possible to search for SignWriting symbols in the KSL Dictionary. </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">I just found something in the list archive about MS Word, but this only strengthens my assumption that signwriting can only copied as an image. </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Anybody, who can help me?</span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Thank you~~~~!</span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Best, Sung-Eun</span></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601yqt4640559742" id="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601yqtfd65997"><br clear="none" class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601"></div></div></div><div class="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601yqt4640559742" id="ydp26c892dayiv3117727601yqtfd08945"><div>________________________________________________
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