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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>YES! I think we are saying the same thing, and as you wrote, it is always hard to say it in English. I think the sidewall is confusing because it is hard to represent iconically. In this case, it *<b>looks</b>* like the hand is moving to the right and left, but it is NOT. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps the easiest way to understand it is to view the symbol as though from the left (or right) of the signer, instead of behind the signer. Then the symbol clearly shows the forward to viewer and back to signer wave motion. In the same way the sidewall motion where the floor plane is prominent is best thought of as though you were above the signer and viewer and looking down at the hand. I think you mention this in your lessons, and im now starting to understand this. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you! <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages <SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Valerie Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Questions about signwriting symbols with curving paths on sidewall<br><b>Importance:</b> Low<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>April 30, 2019<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Rachel -<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for these questions - I will try to answer them bit by bit... regarding question 1... see my answer below your diagram...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 30, 2019, at 6:36 AM, <a href="mailto:00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi everyone two new questions –<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Here is a set of symbols:<o:p></o:p></li></ol><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=470 height=419 style='width:4.8958in;height:4.3645in' id="_x0034_3B0351B-5ADF-484D-8807-46AFDA4AD368" src="cid:image001.png@01D4FF98.36E29D80"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I interpret the first symbol (S2a900) as: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The right hand curves toward the horizon (viewer). Then the hand curves back toward the signer (writer). In other words, an S-curve. The overall path direction is straight up and down (not sloped toward signer or viewer).<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>VAL'S ANSWER: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I believe you understand the visual movement, but the wording is always hard in English. The "Horizon" term means "far away from the chest or body". It is "like looking at a line on the Horizon out in the ocean" and reaching for that Horizon which is "far away". So your description of "viewer" in the first sentence confused me a little. So here is another try to explain it in words:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Looking at your chart 0-0:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The right hand starts to travel up, parallel to the Front Wall Plane. While it travels up it does an S-Curve. The S-Curve is NOT parallel to the Front Wall Plane. The S-Curve is parallel to the Side Wall Plane. While making the S-Curve, the right hand curves forward toward the Horizon, (hitting the Front Wall) and then it curves the opposite direction back towards the signer's chest. The dot on the curve represents curving back toward the chest. And this occurs while traveling up in general.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is a large paragraph for such a lovely movement ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></p><p>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></p><p>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1" target="_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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