<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Here is a graphical representation of what that symbol mean. ;-)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="DAEAED12-59DA-4DFE-B1B8-584D49596767" src="cid:D4F1747E-561C-4F86-8A8F-4EA99AE8BA8F@home" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 30, 2019, at 6:30 PM, <<a href="mailto:00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" class="">00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a>> <<a href="mailto:00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">YES! I think we are saying the same thing, and as you wrote, it is always hard to say it in English. I think the sidewall is confusing because it is hard to represent iconically. In this case, it *<b class="">looks</b>* like the hand is moving to the right and left, but it is NOT. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Perhaps the easiest way to understand it is to view the symbol as though from the left (or right) of the signer, instead of behind the signer. Then the symbol clearly shows the forward to viewer and back to signer wave motion. In the same way the sidewall motion where the floor plane is prominent is best thought of as though you were above the signer and viewer and looking down at the hand. I think you mention this in your lessons, and im now starting to understand this. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:00 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Questions about signwriting symbols with curving paths on sidewall<br class=""><b class="">Importance:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Low<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">SignWriting List<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">April 30, 2019<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello Rachel -<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you for these questions - I will try to answer them bit by bit... regarding question 1... see my answer below your diagram...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Apr 30, 2019, at 6:36 AM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">00000018ddb4db4a-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi everyone two new questions –<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Here is a set of symbols:<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ol><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.png@01D4FF98.36E29D80"><image001.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I interpret the first symbol (S2a900) as: <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The right hand curves toward the horizon (viewer). Then the hand curves back toward the signer (writer). In other words, an S-curve. The overall path direction is straight up and down (not sloped toward signer or viewer).<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Is this correct?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">VAL'S ANSWER: <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I believe you understand the visual movement, but the wording is always hard in English. The "Horizon" term means "far away from the chest or body". It is "like looking at a line on the Horizon out in the ocean" and reaching for that Horizon which is "far away". So your description of "viewer" in the first sentence confused me a little. So here is another try to explain it in words:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Looking at your chart 0-0:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The right hand starts to travel up, parallel to the Front Wall Plane. While it travels up it does an S-Curve. The S-Curve is NOT parallel to the Front Wall Plane. The S-Curve is parallel to the Side Wall Plane. While making the S-Curve, the right hand curves forward toward the Horizon, (hitting the Front Wall) and then it curves the opposite direction back towards the signer's chest. The dot on the curve represents curving back toward the chest. And this occurs while traveling up in general.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That is a large paragraph for such a lovely movement ;-)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Val ;-)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">________________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" style="color: purple; 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