<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">May 2, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Daniel!</div><div class="">Thank you for asking for permission to use the hand photos appearing in our book "SignWriting Hand Symbols in the International SignWriting Alphabet 2010".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And the answer is YES. You have my permission to use the hand photos taken by Adam Frost that are in the book, and the hands are Adam's hands. He photographed his own hands. Please give the title of the book credit, and also credit to Adam Frost, somewhere where you are placing credits...that would be nice for Adam. Thank you, Adam, for the beautiful photos.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are several other publications (authored by others) using Adam's hand photos too, so you are not the only one, and it is an honor that so many fine people around the world are using SignWriting with or without the photos.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think your work is wonderful, no matter what you choose to do, it looks good. I like the example you have shown us here, and it is also an honor that you are continuing your work.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SignWriting is free to use around the world, just as other alphabets and writing systems are free to use, and the more educational and research tools we have in the world, the better for all sign language and SignWriting users.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So do whatever is best for you - We are here for you, when you need us, and I look forward to following your work -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Blessings -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Valerie Sutton</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" class="">sutton@signwriting.org</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-----------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 2, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Daniele Giacomini <<a href="mailto:appunti2@GMAIL.COM" class="">appunti2@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-89990842-7fff-3484-5109-80bfad0301ce" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Quattrocento Sans", sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Hello Valerie,</span></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Quattrocento Sans", sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">In fact, my intention is to keep focusing on SignWriting. In a few occasions there are hand signs that are very difficult to read, due to their particular orientation. Only in those occasions I would like to put some illustration to clarify how the hands are.</span></div><br class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Quattrocento Sans", sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">I am posting an example of what I am willing to do (left side is IS, right side is LIS)</span></div><br class=""><div dir="ltr" style="margin-left:0pt" class=""><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse;width:589.606pt" class=""><colgroup class=""><col width="7" class=""><col width="*" class=""><col width="*" class=""><col width="*" class=""></colgroup><tbody class=""><tr style="height:0pt" class=""><td style="border-bottom:1pt solid rgb(0,0,0);border-top:1pt solid rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle;padding:1.41732pt" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.2; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; text-align: center;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Libre Baskerville", serif; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/qmBoYcjrh9o3JgaScyS8y82C8mFV7bfTUsksDSap26ogeu1RT06xv2bTDBtmGwBkQr0jOUYTuvy8x1HMFKQF0Ov5UP_IK-apYTbvN8fKwHt1pTxXqWSAtpU0xU4jrLxsXZeK61YR" width="1" height="100" style="border: non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Quattrocento Sans", sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Thank you very much to all of you for the attention and the support you offer me for this work of mine. :-)</span></div><br class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Quattrocento Sans", sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Quattrocento Sans", sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Daniele</span></div></span><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 16:53, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" class="">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">May 2, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Daniele -</div><div class="">I do not think this is off topic. The issue of placing illustrations or photos of body parts, such as hands, inside a dictionary or listing of signs written in SignWriting comes up all the time. So no need to apologize ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For example, when teaching SignWriting hand symbols, Adam Frost and I created textbooks with photos of Adam's hands:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SignWriting Hand Symbols Manual for the International SignWriting Alphabet</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#ISWAHands" target="_blank" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#ISWAHands</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SignWriting ASL Hand Symbols Manual</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#ASLHands" target="_blank" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#ASLHands</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Meanwhile, I must tell you how much I love your current work, Daniele, without the photos too...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And it is wonderful that you have chosen <span style="font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;font-size:12pt;white-space:pre-wrap;text-align:justify" class="">he Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International license. Thank you for that.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If possible, I would suggest presenting two versions of your work... one with photos or illustrations and one just as you have it -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I want to present your work to others on our web sites, and I hope you will be interested in presenting at a future SignWriting Symposium.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Like all people, I am behind on other work - no surprise of course. Here in the US, all organizations that are categorized as "non-profit" or "charity" have to submit four government forms and the deadline is May 15th... silly but I am behind on these administrative preparations. So after May 15th I hope to have more time and maybe we can chat about your amazing developments.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for sharing with the List and I am sure a version of your work using photos will be helpful to many people too -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:16a799c49b997c3f3161"><Valerie_Signature.jpg></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 2, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Daniele Giacomini <<a href="mailto:appunti2@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">appunti2@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-1795360544456848651Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1795360544456848651gmail-docs-internal-guid-fd475c73-7fff-18e8-11bc-e9cdc0bf7471" class=""><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="background-color:transparent;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;font-size:12pt;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">Hello.</span><br class=""></div><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="background-color:transparent;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;font-size:12pt;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">I apologize if this request email is off topic in the list. However, I thought to ask and announce what I would like to do in the <a href="https://sites.google.com/view/daniele-giacomini/is-lis-notebook?authuser=0" target="_blank" class="">IS-LIS Notebook</a> I am working on.</span></div><br class=""><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">There are some hand positions that, in my opinion, using SignWriting might not appear very intuitive. I would like to put, beside some SignWriting drawings, also a the corresponding hand pictures, to help the reader. My idea is to reuse some pictures (of the hands) contained in the work that I mentioned in the subject, also modifying then, provided I get the permission of the authors.</span></div><br class=""><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">The document I am working on is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International license, and I would obviously put references to the source of the hand pictures.</span></div><br class=""><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">Thank you for your attention.</span></div><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Quattrocento Sans",sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">Daniele Giacomini</span></div></span><br class="gmail-m_-1795360544456848651gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div>
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