<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, they mean the same hand rotation. ;-)<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">

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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 4, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Daniele Giacomini <<a href="mailto:appunti2@GMAIL.COM" class="">appunti2@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Thank you very much. I need one last confirmation, to be sure that I understood correctly. Is each couple of the following symbols representing the same hand position? (I mean: each couple a different position.)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-044d2d6e-7fff-af98-aca0-7385a6b1d027" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Gh2aetWd7zlGv23RcxgmOdCJQd5rp2sfrl4Pg56KL8Q9Bdy-3kA0iiip9kUYyjsWef84pGn_yFuIlgTEjqSVmVkSgxmRWigzIch87NH3l7PdGqecG5leaqsQ_fOYvXDeN0a-Ohke" width="262" height="28" style="border: none; transform: rotate(0rad);" class=""></span></span><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for your attention.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Daniele</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 4 May 2019 at 18:29, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">These symbols are difficult for many beginners because of the difference in rational and intuitive interpretation of the symbols. The rational interpretation comes about when looking that the function of the individual symbols and how they get their meaning, which is what you are doing right now. And there is nothing wrong with that. Basically, everything your email “assumed” is correct in the rational interpretation of the symbols. (Of course, I am assuming that by rotating 90º you mean rotating on the floor plane rather than the wall plane.)<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, I doubt that you have actually been rotating them the “wrong” way because there is an intuitive interpretation as well. The intuitive interpretation of the symbols comes into play when you write complete signs and the symbols just don’t look right because the fingers aren’t pointing in the correct direction. Let me quote from the Hand Symbols Manual.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div style="text-align:center" class=""><font color="#009051" size="4" class="">Finger Direction Is Meaningful</font></div><div style="text-align:center" class=""><font color="#0096ff" class="">Two ways to write the same positions: The Top View of the Back of the Hand can be written at</font></div><div style="text-align:center" class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,150,255)" class="">a slant. Some writers feel this looks like real life, because the fingers are directed down.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Basically, the intuitive interpretation of the hand symbol means that the symbol on the right in the image below can mean the same as the symbol on the left.</div><div class=""><span id="cid:16a86a184c7513842e1"><Screen Shot 2019-05-04 at 9.11.15 AM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is not limited to the Back of the Hand in Top View; this same interpretation can be applied to other rotations as well. The best way to understand how this interpretation works is by actually writing signs instead of analyzing the technical functions of the symbols.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">

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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 4, 2019, at 4:17 AM, Daniele Giacomini <<a href="mailto:appunti2@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">appunti2@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-1658430479627564419Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hello,<div class="">I realized that, often, I have been using hand symbols rotated in the wrong way. Trying to make my mind clear, I have prepared a table for the shape "Angle" and I am asking your help.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Firstly</b> to understand if what you can see in the following table is correct:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1658430479627564419gmail-docs-internal-guid-d5734681-7fff-c3d0-03f8-99cadbaca918" class=""><div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Libre Baskerville",serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">Angle</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-left:0pt" class=""><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse;width:334.488pt" class=""><colgroup class=""><col width="*" class=""><col width="*" class=""><col width="*" class=""><col width="*" class=""><col width="*" class=""><col width="*" class=""></colgroup><tbody class=""><tr style="height:0pt" class=""><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle;padding:0.283465pt" class=""><div style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:center" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Libre Baskerville",serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/vcX4ISei8BkaSlmP8urdl2OLWYmVexS3DS8IAtHnAd-9S77lCm5_2qCLv-6CktvjiHjS7mPsfPe22oReZoUDYwtNTR9lwwRNc73kUZi4Y-TT_VDUhADQpDPvp3Xg_lomvGkERImC" width="59" height="40" style="border: none;" class=""></span></div></td><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle;padding:0.283465pt" class=""><div style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:center" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Libre Baskerville",serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RJUyXdxUoJDNmYhevMSNJHdmeangR5Cx-hHTtIirI-HbjTgbhyaTSjMkFf27YUaWENVyOdoYQUfk_-XGRSoeZ-N5JhzZ1HpAFUeMtIX3OkBIPAfpPbbtHPhZW-VJTb1l22LVB-tj" width="59" height="40" style="border: none;" class=""></span></div></td><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle;padding:0.283465pt" class=""><div style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:center" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Libre Baskerville",serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/27b0m_HYGXRDbbKsF_VVB9HLTqiRCEzXq_D9Jtd6CeCursEUPIlHrwHQmZnzei1_yTrwT2Og8SBs1KNx_Ag4-KJjMnuBjrStB1Ev8jq4kWNeTl353Z_SHvwSZqpWsbQ5MxAxwj6G" width="59" height="40" style="border: none;" class=""></span></div></td><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle;padding:0.283465pt" class=""><div style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:center" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Libre Baskerville",serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MdTNZP6QBQuhZfY9euqjLa8Wk-bjqtjlOZEKlQk80zmRSq13aWHpedb1dw_g61-7nbdT_WZPSA-KYTmT2LHVDMsKRwOTNVIvC0Dz5KiX5jc0UmrvSGsYRPDAMU3oyfja5UfTxK5U" width="59" height="40" style="border: none;" class=""></span></div></td><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle;padding:0.283465pt" class=""><div style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:center" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Libre Baskerville",serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/kkGAI5JgJRuvRo1KrLdGS20_f30hwqmZY7Y3oVGXsb5HYTYask2sKR-QMXRXl6-K-4h_VxaMai141FJIt1rLt6C6xS-3zAClVa_4uJ-GaT-pn2K0ECa8tCiforPW6Z4DIg9K-bsl" width="59" height="40" style="border: none;" class=""></span></div></td><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle;padding:0.283465pt" class=""><div 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ss=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/kkGAI5JgJRuvRo1KrLdGS20_f30hwqmZY7Y3oVGXsb5HYTYask2sKR-QMXRXl6-K-4h_VxaMai141FJIt1rLt6C6xS-3zAClVa_4uJ-GaT-pn2K0ECa8tCiforPW6Z4DIg9K-bsl" width="59" height="40" style="font-family: "Libre Baskerville", serif; font-size: 14.6667px; text-align: center; white-space: pre-wrap; border: none;" class="">, rotate 90° counterclockwise, is the same as <img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/pHnUDO9_bCEoHm20trmzBVwJk9uOhVnr9uxqwl4HHQPSdEuIcA8rALVc4N4vgiefMQxJxZUdzS_ms8cnrL1y0-Cv4n9jkbFMC-MZQ5lk-0TCt9PFmM4_kEfFBlEjlHfQq7jomaS6" width="51" height="74" style="font-family: "Libre Baskerville", serif; font-size: 14.6667px; text-align: center; white-space: pre-wrap; border: none; margin-right: 0px;" class=""> ?<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for you attention.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Daniele</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>

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