<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Rubens,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You aren’t the first to ask about this question, and I am sure you won’t be the last. ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have seen two troupes on this issue. One who feels that name signs should be distinguishable. The other who feels if name signs aren’t distinguishable with live signing, why should they be with the written form. I am personally in the latter troupe; however, I will give you a neutral viewpoint to answer your question of how to distinguish name signs in written form.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When proposing ways to quickly identify name signs in a written form, there have generally been two proposals. The first is by adding a specific symbol to the name sign, such as a line under it as proposed by Stefan Wöhrmann from Germany. Attached here is his own name sign using his line symbol to mean name signs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="CEEAF647-F08B-4B75-933E-D9C7B590B871" src="cid:3F3E74E6-082E-424A-844B-0A56C075DCD2@home" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The second proposal is what you have proposed. In fact, the use of facial expressions with name signs such as smiles, eyes, and eyebrows has been proposed several times. Some have even proposed adding (long) hair to farther distinguish gender. Just a side of caution, heavy use of facial expressions to identify name signs may cause problems when actual facial expressions are needed for other grammar or narrative purposes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="D17087DE-3F21-41B9-9BF7-512043E6B6BC" src="cid:19893C9A-3718-4FD7-82FE-5B2012AC281F@home" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the end, it is really up to the writer to make such a decision. And by extension, the writer’s community will establish the norm. I know that Brazil has many writers and several more written documents of their own. I would not be surprised if the Brazilian SignWriting community would come up with their own standard on this issue. And it doesn’t have to be the same standard that is used in other places (like America or German). Such is the freedom that is gained by writing your own language.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:34 PM, Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM" class="">rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Members of the deaf community who use SignWriting around the world.<br class=""><br class="">I would like the help of you, I have the privilege of writing the name of the sign (Sign of person - baptism in Libras) of many people in SignWriting here in Brazil, and to show that it is sign name specifically, I have using symbols of "Aesthetics" representing eyes, eyelashes, mouth or other symbols on the face, according to the following symbols available in SignPuddle (attachment).<br class=""><br class="">I believe that using these symbols to write the name sign (a person's own sign) can contribute and facilitate reading, because it gives tips for the reader to "prepare" to encounter an unusual or specific sign, which you probably will not know it in advance and need to analyze it more carefully. (CARNEIRO, 2018)<br class="">Another reason is also to differentiate similar signs from people of Male and Female genres with the same signs, so using a symbol with eyelashes can differentiate from the other that does not have it, showing the difference of genres.<br class="">I have already written the deaf with the same sign, more male and female.<br class="">See example (attachment)<br class=""><br class="">I am writing a children's book in SignWriting and in it I make use of sign name (baptism in Libras) with characters with the same sign gender name (male and female) different, in the same context, in this way, write using the symbols of aesthetics certainly facilitates the reading, for identifying and differentiating the characters with the same signs.<br class="">So I'm posting on this list, with the aim of asking for help with opinions, guidelines about what you have accomplished, your experiences in this area, also with references of publications (magazines, books, memos, web, sites, symposia) that address this subject.<br class="">Thank you very much for your attention and support in this important work developed here in Brazil.<br class=""><br class=""> Regards,<br class=""> - Rubens Almeida<br class="">SEDUC/MA, Brazil<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">________________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton<br class="">SignWriting List moderator<br class=""><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" class="">sutton@signwriting.org</a><br class=""><br class="">Post Messages to the SignWriting List:<br class="">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu<br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page<br class="">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist<br class=""><br class="">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages<br class="">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<br class=""><span id="cid:2408A53A-3B78-4CEC-BE51-E791F42DDA1B@home"><Questionamento sobre o uso estilÃstico dos grafemas (Texto para os membros do Forum mundial SignWriting).pdf></span></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>________________________________________________
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