<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I actually think it might work with the lanes as well by placing the line in lieu of the entire repeated sign in that lane. However, I would have to put aside the writing for a while to see if I can still understand it as a reader without the writing fresh in my mind.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" class="">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">SignWriting List</div><div class="">August 6, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Ruben, Adam and everyone -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you so much for your message below. I also tried to paste at the very bottom of this email, the original message from Adam, that was really asking for a "short way to hand write" the repeated motion within vertical Lanes ... so I think we are mixing two different issues - "formal publishing of sign literature" and handwriting or shorthand...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I brought up "publishing in formal SignWriting", which is what the Movement Clusters are used for, simply to point out the differences between handwriting and formal writing... part of the reason that the Movement Clusters work for formal publishing is that SignWriting is used to write many different sign languages in over 40 countries, not just ASL and LIBRAS, so the Movement Clusters give us visual information as to exactly what is happening, which means that foreigners to a sign language can read the exact movements quickly at a visual glance... it enhances reading. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When we hand write we want to have a quicker way to write things like repeated motion, and I agree the two lines look like an easy way to shorten for quick writing... We need to write a book on SW Handwriting techniques and this could be a part of that book...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think the research work of Deborah Campos Wanderley and Marianne Rossi Stumpf is very important and I do not want anyone to stop working on research - and of course go right ahead and write as you feel is best for your language. It is important that the next generations move forward with new ideas ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So here is an interesting question - As more and more people write by hand, will it influence the formal writing style used when publishing?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have noticed some shortcuts that are happening around the world, and this is clearly one of them -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Adam - how do you feel about this? And actually your original question was referring to handwriting placement in Lanes - will the little lines work in handwriting in Lanes? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 6, 2019, at 7:55 AM, Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM" class="">rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">Hi everyone, signwriting list!<br type="_moz" class=""></span></span></p><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">Hello Adam and Valerie! <br type="_moz" class=""></span></span></p><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">This guideline of writing repeated motions in specific " Movement Clusters " that are established as part of the SignWriting system is in keeping with Madson and Raquel Barreto's information in the book “Escrita de Sinais sem Mistérios”. <br type="_moz" class=""></span></span></p><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">With published research by teachers and researchers Deborah Campos Wanderley and Marianne Rossi Stumpf many of us SignWiriting users started writing using small lines for repeated motion. In fact, I am using this rule as a support for writing my book. <br type="_moz" class=""></span></span></p><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">But with the guidance for using the “Movement Clusters" for repeated motion. I will review my productions and follow the rule of the “Movement Clusters" for repeated motion. <br type="_moz" class=""></span></span></p><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">I will also share this guidance with other SignWriting users here in Brazil through social networks. <br type="_moz" class=""></span></span></p><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">Many thanks Valerie for this important help in this matter, many thanks also to Adam for starting this subject with the question.<br type="_moz" class=""></span></span></p><p class=""><span class="" style="font-size: larger;"><span class="" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">- Rubens Almeida</span></span></p><p class=""><span id="cid:43C3ED79-2605-4631-A540-05320CE4CA65@san.rr.com"><n1zfk6.png></span></p></div>________________________________________________</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>-------------<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" class="">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">August 5, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Everyone -</div><div class="">Through experience - years ago - we did discuss this issue.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Small lines for repeated motion certainly can be used for SW Shorthand or Handwriting. For me, I would use those for my personal note-taking ...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But when we are publishing for others to read formal sign language literature, I believe in writing the repeated motions out in specific "movement clusters", which are established as a part of the SignWriting system... there are certain "movement symbol clusters" that are commonly used for plurals ... I want to write a textbook on Movement Symbols, and actually Adam has already created wonderful videos for the Contact Symbols and Finger Movements, which will be the first two chapters of the Movement Symbols textbook. But the "Movement Clusters" for repeated motion will be a chapter in the book. Here are some examples attached. The clusters give the visual feeling of producing the signs with repetitive motion -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:4467BD95-4425-4DD5-8C37-498A87185E3B@san.rr.com"><bowls.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:9E947B17-15FC-4F2A-83AD-91FEC34F4635@san.rr.com"><community.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:CB773707-2FE8-48BB-808F-3D302928F633@san.rr.com"><different1.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:D999D2CF-1D77-4326-8815-97D17CB01569@san.rr.com"><different 2.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:C23BAABB-A69D-4726-8C7A-E5E73C17ABB2@san.rr.com"><groups.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">---------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 5, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">So you would be suggesting to use the lines as a way of saying repetition? Interesting.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I guess I could use that as a basis to write something like below to show the movement. If I were to remove the arrow, that would mean repetition without moving?</div><div class=""><span id="cid:E3A24727-1270-4058-A325-306D4ADE2615@home"><PastedGraphic-1.tiff></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 5, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM" class="">rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Greetings signwriting list!<br class="">
Here in Brazil we are using some signwriting referring to the linguistic aspects of the plural marks in the Brazilian Sign Language.<br class="">
Teachers and researchers Débora Campos Wanderley and Marianne Rossi Stumpf published a scientific article, with the theme: Plural Marking in the Signwriting System: A Morphological Approach. In this article they explain the use of the ending of symbols (I) or (II):<br class="">
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Table 1. Representation of the plural</span></span></p><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class=""><img src="http://i68.tinypic.com/23wwm6t.png" width="811" height="608" alt="" class=""></p><p class=""><img src="http://i67.tinypic.com/2u9oo08.png" alt="" class=""></p><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class=""><a href="http://www.seer.ufal.br/index.php/revistaleitura/article/download/2686/2861." class="">www.seer.ufal.br/index.php/revistaleitura/article/download/2686/2861.</a><br class="">
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</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>___________<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">On Aug 4, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="">Quick question from a fellow writer who likes to write by hand quickly. Is it possible, or does anyone have a technique for writing repeated signs like some sort of symbol to mean "repeat the previous word"? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Take the following sentence for example. The sign for bowl is repeated in three different locations to show three different bowls.</div><div class=""><span id="cid:0EBBBC94-EB24-4F73-B03E-66E755A89F74@home"><download.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class=""><span id="cid:BC7FF2BE-B327-4618-B076-E92B91C176BA@home"><namesign.png></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; float: none; display: inline !important;">Adam</span></div><br class=""></div>________________________________________________</div></div></div>________________________________________________
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