<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, it is possible to move down a little.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now that I think of it, it is even possible to never lose contact thus making the contact a rub rather than a brush. So many options and possibilities. Ha!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I just exploring for a good balance between ease in reading and ease in writing. ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 8, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">but Adam - if you prefer to eliminate the second position and you feel it can be read, that is fine -<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In this writing, maybe the right hand only moves a little bit down, not a lot?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:77C58FDD-2A41-4309-8C98-3CE28B05483E@san.rr.com"><Screen Shot 2019-08-08 at 2.01.47 PM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 8, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">August 8, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Adam and SW List members -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hmmmm ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regarding the ASL sign for BOTH - Each example is readable... and thank you, Adam, and cw and writers in SignWriter Java, for writing this sign.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are 2 writing rules or guidelines that I try to follow:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. "First, write the Position of Contact" (page 194-195 in the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. "Every sign has a center" (page 196 and continues for some pages....)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So in the sign for BOTH, the way I interpret it, there are 2 Positions of Contact - the beginning position and the ending position, since the fingers came together and contacted each other in the ending position... that is why I choose to write the second position - I think it is easier for the reader - no guessng</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So based on Adam's most recent writing, I have included my suggestion:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:C1CED4F8-23FF-483F-97CE-590C4A811829@san.rr.com"><BOTH.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">-----------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Here’s another question. ;-)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have been struggling with spelling BOTH. Looking in SignPuddle, I found a couple of spellings. The first is from “cw”, and the second was copied from SignWriter Java.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS10e00S16d38S20700S22b04S11500M12x72S16d38n12xn40S10e00n5xn73S11500n6x42S22b04n6x7S20700n6xn13&pad=10&name=both" class=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS10e00S16d06S20700S20e00S22a04S11500S37700M22x63S115004x33S22a047x14S20e008xn3S20700n21xn43S10e003xn62S16d062xn29S3770010xn33&pad=10&name=both" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In 2013, I rewrote these two. Looking at it now, I don’t think it is very readable, although it is more compact.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M21x44S22a04n17xn5S16d0an19xn43S11500n21x14S210001xn27S10e00n20xn40&pad=10&name=both" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I just now decided to rewrite it now. I know it uses another advance symbol, but is it readable if you know what the symbols mean?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=AS10e00S16d06S21000S22a04S22702M22x25S22a045xn4S16d06n21x8S210002xn21S10e00n18xn25S227027x12" class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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