<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I was attempting to keep relatively close to formal SignWriting so no new symbols had to be defined, except for maybe a slight shift in meaning like giving information of what the other hand is doing when not written.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Putting together any sort of publication is a lot of work, let alone an undertaking such as the New Testament. So, focus on that first. I can hold on this discussion. ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 15, 2019, at 7:05 AM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">August 15, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think it is a very interesting and creative idea for handwriting, Adam, so it is not mistaken, simply different than the formal SignWriting for publishing...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is an interesting idea, that in handwriting a symbol of some kind combined with one-handed signing could give information about what the other hand is doing, and the writer can write faster without writing the other hand -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So other symbols can be defined and developed for handwriting that will work, without conflicting with the formal SignWriting for publishing...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So after I finish the publishing of the 8 books of the New Testament in ASL, I will be able to focus better - I am so close - just finished the 6th book - yeah! starting number 7 later today ...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">enjoy your day -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Then this is where I was mistaken with my attempt in using the timing symbols to make clear what the other hand was doing if not written. I was using the same time alternating symbol for the second writing.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If both would actually use the same “Same Time” symbol, then they don’t make the ambiguity of the left hand clear since it could be either. Hmm...</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:04 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">August 14, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Adam -</div><div class="">I love Basics. I agree - let's go back to the Basics.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Both of your examples below are "Same Time".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Neither of the signs have Alternating arrows.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Alternating requires at least two movements in opposite directions produced by the SAME hand. Usually short quick movements back and forth, but even longer movements back and forth can be alternating just as long as they are done by the same hand, one directly after the other.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The signs you show have one direction per hand, so they are not alternating.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 14, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, I suspect we are talking apples and oranges, which is probably partly due to me switching back and forth between full SignWriting and making a shortened form for handwriting. ;-)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think I will pull it back a little because it seems I don’t understand the “same time alternating” as well as I thought. I could get into why I thought that, but I think it might be better if we get back to basics and then see where the thought paths diverge.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Let's consider these two writings. (This is how I would normally write them for publication. Ha!)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:D5D7F6CC-18D0-4AC6-9B7F-5204462AA071@home" class=""><glyphogram1.png></span> <span id="cid:8C8AB42D-4418-41BF-9FC8-8F4F4F5C0DB2@home" class=""><glyphogram2.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I were to add the timing symbols, I would add the “Same Time” symbol to the first writing. What about the second writing? Which timing symbol would be correctly used?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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