<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’m not sure if I understand what you mean by phonological order, João, but I think I can try.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The 4 syllables that Valerie mentioned in her document are beginning hand positions, movements, ending hand positions, and location & facial expressions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The hand syllables can have the dominant hand and then the non-dominant hand.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The movement syllables can have the movement between the beginning and ending hands in the order that the occur phonetically. If there is a contact followed by an arm movement, the arm movement would not be placed before the contact. However, if the arm movement occurs before the contact, then the contact wouldn’t be before the arm movement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I generally place the location symbols before the facial expressions for the 4th syllable if there are both in one sign.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless I am wrong, I feel that these 4 syllables can be repeated if necessary. Most signs only have 1 main location written, but there are times when there are more than one. I’ll use a writing for the sign DEAF.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="CD332372-FC53-44D5-8710-4A048CA957B3" width="65" height="65" src="cid:5DDE0EED-756D-47F6-9C67-C5EA0A4D393D@home" class=""></div><div class="">This is more detailed than I would personally write it, but it will make my point more clear.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would order this sign as followed:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="EFD051BD-2417-4085-8930-3B510BA1ABFB" src="cid:B597116A-5EBA-4A07-9B57-C23105D9E046@home" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Notice that the last 2 symbols are in a repeated syllable set. There are no hand symbols in the second set of syllables because there is no change from the beginning hand symbol.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course, Valerie might disagree with my example all together, and that is alright. I haven’t done much with SignSpelling Sequences like she has. ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" class="">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">October 8, 2019</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi João -</div><div class="">The symbols themselves have an order too. The SignSpelling Sequence works together with the established order of symbols in the International SignWriting Alphabet. The order of the symbols and the order of the SignSpelling work together to make sorting dictionaries work. Here is another document that might be of interest:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The SignWriting Alphabet (lists the order of symbols or SignSymbolSequence)</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0636_SignWriting_Alphabet_Manual_2010.pdf" class="">http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0636_SignWriting_Alphabet_Manual_2010.pdf</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So based on the sequence of symbols in the SignWriting Alphabet, a handshape is sorted first by Palm Orientation and then by Rotation (Angle). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you need more detail I will be delighted to help you with examples.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unfortuantely I have two deadlines that are taking my time this evening, but later I look forward to working with you on this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Adam, do you know better how to explain phonological order?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 4:49 PM João Paulo Ampessan <<a href="mailto:joamp29@gmail.com" class="">joamp29@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">I see, I want to ask you something, you explained about the SignSpelling Sequence, there are 3 syllable categories 1 to 4, but there are no details like the phonological order, for example which manual setting is the first? clap orientation? movement? location? etc. you only show signs, I want parameters and phonological order with details.<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Sorry, I'm very bad english, I realized that I wrote does'nt clarity. I hope you understand.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small"><br class=""></div></div>
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