<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">April 16, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Andre and everyone!</div><div class="">The reason you have not been getting emails from the SignWriting List lately, is, most likely, because there haven’t been any messages until yesterday, when Adam posted, and so did others. I look forward to reading and answering each one now.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have been “inactive” online for awhile, but I am back now, and I am grateful to see how many people are using SignWriting. It is gratifying, and also very interesting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So Andre, if you got this message, then I think you are getting the messages from the SignWriting List. I will write to you privately in a few days to be sure you got this one - ha!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hope you and your family are well and that your projects are many ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 16, 2021, at 10:31 AM, André Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@VIDEOTRON.CA" class="">atg@VIDEOTRON.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><div class="">Hello Val,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I notice that I did not get many emails from SignWriting list.  I do not understand why I do not receive them?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">André</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);" class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">De : </span> Stephen Slevinski <<a href="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET" class="">slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Répondre à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date : </span> Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:50:48 -0500<br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">À : </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Objet : </span> Re: [SPAM] Re: Placement of Signs in Space<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">

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    Hi Jonathan,<br class="">
    <br class="">
    SignMaker 2017 supports the styling string, but it is a manual entry
    process and only for creating PNG or SVG output images.<br class="">
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=en">http://signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=en</a><br class="">
    <br class="">
    <img apple-inline="yes" id="D50F76D8-75BD-49F7-A82A-D6BC77A2454E" src="cid:part1.708400B8.47648A74@signpuddle.net" class=""><br class="">
    <br class="">
    This example uses a styling string of "--Z01,0.5Z03,2"<br class="">
    Z01,0.5 = Zoom for first symbol of 0.5.<br class="">
    Z03,2 = Zoom for third symbol of 2<br class="">
    <br class="">
    This topic gets into the difference between plain-text and
    rich-text.<br class="">
    Oversimplified, plain-text focuses on meaning while rich-text adds
    formatting.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    If you take away formatting from rich-text, you should be left with
    understandable plain-text.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    I believe a sign should be understandable without differences in
    symbol size.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    -Steve<br class="">
    <br class="">
    <br class="">
    <br class="">
    <br class="">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/21 10:02 AM, Jonathan Duncan
      wrote:<br class="">
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:c09b9307-ccac-1d05-0e1a-2296b770c54f@yahoo.ca" class="">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""><div class="">Hi Adam,</div><div class="">    Actually it is presently possible to write smaller hand
        shapes with the existing fonts.</div><div class="">If you go to <br class="">
      </div><div class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en" moz-do-not-send="true">https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en</a></div><div class="">And click on QuickSignEditor, <br class="">
      </div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="8C1032F8-1AA9-4F62-9936-3463B4B3B72E" src="cid:part3.37047343.28CE7B6B@signpuddle.net" class=""></div><div class="">You can change the size of the symbols.  It uses the styling
        portion of the FSW that Steve and I created together.</div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="71096956-FD35-433E-8FA7-CE6D65B44D05" src="cid:part4.137C4CF2.4FBFF45D@signpuddle.net" class=""></div><div class="">Use minus in the circle button.</div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="820301C2-7AE3-4D2A-AF3D-121830DC2D5F" src="cid:part5.8A0F2EB9.F8F168C4@signpuddle.net" class=""></div><div class="">I'm don't know if any of the other editors can change the
        symbol size or not.</div><div class="">For some reason, the symbol styling isn't coming across to the
        version of SignMaker I have it hosted in.</div><div class="">So the technology is there, it's probably just a matter of
        adding a few more control to the editors for you to actually be
        able to do it and save it in SignPuddle.</div><div class="">Steve,  what is your take on this subject?</div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Jonathan<br class="">
      </div><div class=""><br class="">
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2021 8:31 AM, Adam Frost
        wrote:<br class="">
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      <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:EB853F9E-D2FA-44DC-B114-189A5EBFBE88@gmail.com" class="">
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        Thank you Cherie and André for your suggestions.
        <div class=""><br class="">
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        <div class="">Cherie, I agree that “other” team is still in
          neutral space, only farther away, while “my” team is closer to
          my chest. While I don’t see “my” team as actually touching my
          chest, I can see your suggestion for the touch symbol. Do you
          think that would make more sense than the shoulder line to
          imply that the sign is at or near the chest?</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">André, your overhead view does make sense as being
          useful for showing depth, but the palm facing seems to be
          confusing. As you had it written, it means the palm is facing
          up rather than facing the chest. Unless I am wrong, the palm
          facings would would be as the following:</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="A15A339F-646B-4A5C-9D3A-BC98EE8EDACB" width="84" height="248" src="cid:part6.5D88C747.288AB291@signpuddle.net" class=""></div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">If changing the view would make depth easier to
          see, I think using the side view would be easier for the palm
          facings.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="1E65DCB0-4504-428E-AE2E-3655F34A8896" width="119" height="200" src="cid:part7.7E340C51.CC3C82AD@signpuddle.net" class=""></div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">However, I don’t know if I like changing the
          viewpoint in everyday writing in such rare cases.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">However, I did notice that André combined the two
          scores into one sign to show the depth. I think that this
          would work (without having to change the viewpoint at all)
          only if both numbers are stated together.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="8DC23D78-892A-4C08-95AA-BAFA94CBB067" width="51" height="108" src="cid:part8.A707E339.0B1901B4@signpuddle.net" class=""></div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">I am not sure how I would write the “other” team’s
          score to clearly show the depth without the viewpoint change.
          I do like the idea of having it be “smaller” to show it is
          farther away, but I’m not sure if that is practical either.          (Just a thought, wouldn’t that just be handled by the font
          much like superscripts and subscripts? This doesn’t actually
          “create” more symbols when this is done. Hmm…)</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
          <div class=""> <span class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="31AF0417-DB6A-48DC-B05F-8ED5A36F0071" src="cid:part9.9FB356F5.617DD1F9@signpuddle.net" class=""></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
            <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Adam</span> </div>
          <div class=""><br class="">
            <blockquote type="cite" class="">
              <div class="">On Apr 16, 2021, at 3:23 AM, Cherie Wren
                <<a href="mailto:000000111c1a7803-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">000000111c1a7803-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>>
                wrote:</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">when I
                      sign two team scores, its usually one nearly
                      touching my chest (my team) and one farther
                      away... but still in neutral space.  Perhaps a
                      touch symbol for the nearer "my team"?</div>
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                      <div class=""> On Thursday, April 15, 2021,
                        10:39:35 PM EDT, André Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">atg@videotron.ca</a>>                        wrote: </div>
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                            <div class="">Hello Adaame and Val,</div>
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                            <div class="">I write this:</div>
                            <div class=""><img src="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M62x61S2ff20n61xn60S2ff20n59x26S1440024xn94S10120n52xn8S14c0026xn143S14720n31xn3S15a5an58xn110S11951n46xn121S2e736n52xn137S2ff2014xn58S2650030xn111" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"></div>
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                            <div class="">Best regards,</div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div class="">André</div>
                            <span id="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class="">
                              <div style="font-family: Calibri;
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                                196, 223);" class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">De :
                                </span> Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
                                  noopener" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br class="">
                                <span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Répondre
                                  à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read
                                and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
                                  noopener" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class="">
                                <span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Date :
                                </span> Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:40:47 -0700<br class="">
                                <span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">À :
                                </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
                                  noopener" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class="">
                                <span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Objet :
                                </span> Re: Placement of Signs in Space<br class="">
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                                  <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">I
                                    thought I recall something about the
                                    sizing being used for depth, but I
                                    don’t think that it would be
                                    necessary for everyday writing. Like
                                    I said, this situation rarely comes
                                    up for me. ;-)</div>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">Here
                                    is a screen capture of what I wrote.
                                    It is talking about two baseball
                                    teams: The Nationals and the
                                    Diamondbacks.</div>
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                                  </div>
                                  <span id="cid:q9PRmGvZ1BZonC4v32dk" class=""><Screen
                                    Shot 2021-04-15 at 6.32.37
                                    PM.png></span>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">Notice
                                    the last two signs are supposed to
                                    have the depth. I feel that the
                                    shoulder line shows the number being
                                    closer to the body, but the other
                                    number doesn’t have the concept of
                                    being away from the body as it is
                                    written.</div>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">As
                                    for the concepts of “teams”, ASL
                                    makes use of placing concepts in
                                    specific locations all the time. It
                                    isn’t limited to names of teams.
                                    That is the reason the lanes work so
                                    well for this. However, it is common
                                    for people to have their preferred
                                    teams in sports, so that is where
                                    the depth comes into play.</div>
                                  <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106"><br class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">
                                    <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106"><span class=""><span id="cid:XBClBn35reJz3nLygvfq" class=""><namesign.png></span></span><br class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106Apple-interchange-newline" style="font-family: Helvetica;
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                                      <span style="font-family:
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                                        normal; letter-spacing: normal;
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                                        !important;" class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">Adam</span></div>
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                                        <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">On
                                          Apr 15, 2021, at 6:17 PM,
                                          Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
                                            noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>>
                                          wrote:</div>
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                                          <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">SignWriting
                                            List
                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">April
                                              15, 2021</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">Hello
                                              everyone on the
                                              SignWriting List, and
                                              thank you for this
                                              message, Adam ;-)</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">Of
                                              course this sounds like a
                                              very useful way to write
                                              “teams” in sign language,
                                              but can you show us
                                              written examples in
                                              SignWriting?</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">And
                                              since I am not a teacher
                                              of a classroom of ASL
                                              signers, maybe you could
                                              explain to me (and all of
                                              us) - what do you mean by
                                              “teams”? Is it for writing
                                              some kind of a game in
                                              ASL?</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">But
                                              to answer your question -
                                              the Lanes show us spatial
                                              comparisons and
                                              weight-shifting to the
                                              “right of center” and to
                                              the “left of center”. They
                                              are invaluable for writing
                                              spatial comparisons in
                                              sign languages.</div>
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                                            </div>
                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">Technically
                                              there is a Lane that is
                                              “far in front” and one
                                              that is “close to the
                                              chest” - and one that is
                                              neutral in signing space -
                                              but over time we started
                                              to write those differences
                                              in “depth” with Movement
                                              Symbols. We actually DID
                                              have a way to write
                                              “depth” with hand symbols
                                              years ago, in the 1980s.</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">This
                                              was a technique that
                                              really worked in the early
                                              days of SignWriting, when
                                              we were writing sign
                                              language by hand with ink
                                              pens. There were 3 sizes
                                              of hand symbols - the
                                              normal size we use
                                              everyday is the “middle                                              neutral space”, the
                                              smaller version of the
                                              symbol means “far away
                                              from the chest” and the                                              larger symbol means closer
                                              to the chest. This is
                                              based on art perspectives.
                                              Further away is always
                                              smaller.</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">I
                                              have an article about this
                                              somewhere - I will try to
                                              find it and post it later.</div>
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                                            </div>
                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">But,
                                              as time went by, it seemed
                                              like too much information
                                              that was not necessary for
                                              everyday writing, and for
                                              computer symbol sets, it
                                              was a real problem because
                                              it would double or triple
                                              the amount of symbols so
                                              the idea of "far being
                                              smaller" and “close being
                                              larger” was ignored and we
                                              have one set of symbols at
                                              one size for everything.
                                              The ISWA 2010 is large
                                              enough!</div>
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                                            </div>
                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">So
                                              how do we see “depth” in
                                              everyday writing? Movement
                                              Symbols and some
                                              standardized spellings
                                              have helped.</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">But
                                              now - Adam - please post
                                              some SignWriting showing
                                              us what you have written -
                                              many thanks!</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">Val
                                              ;-)</div>
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                                            <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">----------</div>
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                                                  <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">On
                                                    Apr 15, 2021, at
                                                    1:22 PM, Adam Frost
                                                    <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
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                                                    wrote:</div>
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                                                    <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">I
                                                      was doing some
                                                      writing in
                                                      SignWriting and
                                                      came across an
                                                      issue that I never
                                                      really thought of
                                                      in the past. In
                                                      ASL, scores can be
                                                      done by placing
                                                      the teams in a
                                                      location and then
                                                      giving the numbers
                                                      of the score in
                                                      that location. For
                                                      example, I can
                                                      have one team on
                                                      the right and
                                                      another on the
                                                      left. If I sign 4
                                                      on the right and
                                                      then 5 on the
                                                      left, it clearly
                                                      says who has what
                                                      score. This is
                                                      easily done using
                                                      the lanes in
                                                      SignWriting.
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                                                      <div class="ydp304a5ab3yiv0829676106">The
                                                        issue came into
                                                        play when it was
                                                        giving scores
                                                        for “my team” vs
                                                        “your team”. If
                                                        I signed 4 near
                                                        my chest and
                                                        then 5 away from
                                                        me, it would
                                                        means “I have 4
                                                        and you have 5.”
                                                        When I tried to
                                                        write this, I
                                                        wrote the
                                                        shoulder line
                                                        over 4 and wrote
                                                        5 as I do
                                                        normally. This
                                                        didn’t really                                                        seem like an
                                                        issue to me
                                                        until I had a
                                                        friend asked me
                                                        how I knew that
                                                        5 was signed
                                                        away from my
                                                        body rather than
                                                        just in the
                                                        neutral location
                                                        when signing 5
                                                        on its own. I
                                                        had said I just
                                                        assumed it, but
                                                        that got me
                                                        thinking if
                                                        there was a
                                                        simple way to
                                                        write it so that
                                                        it would be
                                                        clear and didn’t
                                                        have to be
                                                        assumed. Is
                                                        there?</div>
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