<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Josenilson Mendes,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For the most part, your understanding of these symbols are correct and about as well as I understand them myself. I have never seen these symbols used in actual writing of signs; however, I can see them being used in SignSpelling which is used for sorting signs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They might be helpful and/or necessary to differentiate between different signs when the symbols are taken from the 3D writing and arranged into a 2D string for sorting. It might also be helpful for researchers to include spatial information to search across a database of signs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have added some comments below so you know which symbols I am referring to. I hope this helps you understand these symbols even though I can’t think of any specific signs that use these symbols.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 26, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">April 26, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Google Translation into English:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">We know that symbols of exact location are not commonly used, but they serve specific purposes for linguistic studies of sign languages. I wonder if there are any examples of using these exact location symbols in any sign language.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249); min-height: 17px;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">We know that this refer to the wall plan:</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="84A582AA-48F6-4658-92AF-04D63746270B" src="cid:958F9792-1D5C-4DD7-8304-6C73B7613828" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">How could I use it to describe a signal? Can anyone show me an example? Would the central point of the octagon be at hip height?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, your understanding of these symbols see to be correct. These symbols would be like telling a location on a wall in front of the signer where the middle line is likely at the waist or hip height. <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">My guess is that the first symbol is just a general height indicator of above the center of the body (or the hip as you stated).</span> The black in the other symbols tell how much higher or lower from the center point the location is. </div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249); min-height: 17px;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">We know that these refer to the ground plane:</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="44856EF6-7897-4818-9A95-3DBD465AD4FD" src="cid:B1E82F8C-1050-43BD-AC53-CC29ACE6A601" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">How could I use it to describe a signal? Can anyone show me an example? Does the central point of the octagon refer to the axis of the body, from head to toe?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>These symbols would be as if it was on the floor and the signer is standing in the center. So the first symbol would be to indicate location in front, while the next three detail how specifically close or far from the front of the signer.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249); min-height: 17px;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">These below refer to the distance of a signal from the body in a top view, correct?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="8674A1EA-EF32-44BF-9019-C0380B53B26D" src="cid:595A8EA5-A71F-4AF0-BB94-60755F5E04BF" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">The dash refers to the space in front of the body where a signal is made and moves, correct?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, these three symbols would be telling how close or far from the front of the signer. In a sense, these three symbols have the same meaning as the last three in the previous series.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249); min-height: 17px;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">These below refer to the height in relation to the torso at which a signal is made, correct?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="E8B19F95-B13E-4C04-ACC4-EF14A55DEF72" src="cid:96C8D901-46AF-4873-B155-77E256855C99" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Correct, these symbols would have a clear relation to the height on the body that the first series of symbols didn’t have.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">These below relate to the longitudinal axis of the body and in what position the signal is made, correct?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="D37F07A8-5EE0-40A5-9520-2731B0450D43" src="cid:249D1CD1-977E-437F-A69A-5E1E4F966B10" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, that is correct. These symbols give the location on a vertical line across the body.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249); min-height: 17px;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">We know that these below refer to points of contact or exact location on limbs or parts of the body.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="5F9EFA45-A1EA-447F-96BB-DEC4854FB560" src="cid:4276EC27-A61A-4597-8265-7DFCF72041A9" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="4A9BF03F-7A24-4D5F-8835-8F78E82055C8" src="cid:35C2805B-BAA4-475A-8FEC-4C469AD5FCAF" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">But what do the white and black circles mean? Are the circles related to the perspective of the sign? Is there an example?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, these symbols give specific location on the arms, fingers, hand, and torso (in that order). The difference between the circles is the front and back. I might have this mixed up, but I believe the black circles would be the locations that you see if you were standing behind the signer, and the white circles would be the locations that you would see if you were standing in front of the signer.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249); min-height: 17px;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Is there any video or written material about these exact location symbols?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249); min-height: 17px;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Thank you for the answers!</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb(24, 25, 27); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">-------------</span></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 26, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com" class="">jsm88b@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Caros amigos da SW-List, Valerie e Adam,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sabemos que os símbolos de localização exata não são de uso corrente, mas servem para fins específicos de estudos linguísticos de línguas de sinais. Gostaria de saber se há algum exemplo de uso destes símbolos de localização exata em qualquer língua de sinais.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sabemos que este se referem ao plano parede:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span id="cid:ii_knz69p1e0"><image.png></span><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Como eu poderia usá-lo para descrever um sinal? Alguém pode me mostrar um exemplo? O ponto central do octógono estaria na altura do quadril?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sabemos que este se referem ao plano chão: <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span id="cid:ii_knz5a06z1"><image.png></span><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default">Como eu poderia usá-lo para descrever um sinal? Alguém pode me mostrar um exemplo? O ponto central do octógono se refere ao eixo do corpo, da cabeça aos pés?</div><div class="gmail_default"></div><div class="gmail_default"></div></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">E<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">stes abaixo se referem à distância da realização de um sinal em relação ao corpo em uma visão de cima, correto?</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="cid:ii_knz5ok0p2"><image.png></span><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">O traço se refere ao espaço à frente do corpo onde um sinal é realizado e se move, correto?</div><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Estes abaixo se referem à altura em relação ao torso em que se realiza um sinal, correto?</div><span id="cid:ii_knz69h7a4"><image.png></span><br class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Estes abaixo se relacionam ao eixo longitudinal do corpo e em que posição o sinal é realizado, correto?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span id="cid:ii_knz6qx9r6"><image.png></span><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sabemos que estes abaixo se referem a pontos de contato ou localização exata em membros ou partes do corpo.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span id="cid:ii_knz5zh5t3"><image.png></span><br class=""></div><span id="cid:ii_knz6k88n5"><image.png></span><br class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Mas o que significam os círculos branco e o preto? Os círculos estão relacionados à perspectiva do sinalizante? Há algum exemplo?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Existe algum material em vídeo ou escrito sobre estes símbolos de localização exata?</div><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Já agradeço pelas respostas!</div><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span>Josenilson Mendes</span><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
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