<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Thanks, Adam
and Valerie!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">It seems that
there is still a doubt between you. I know the system is already 46 years oldđ!
I hope you find a more detailed description in old documents.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I have always
used these symbols as described by Valerie. If there is little space to write
them, I select the smaller symbols. However, some researchers here follow the
perspective described by Adam that the smallest symbols are for the movement of
one finger and the largest for all fingers.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">The excellent
book by Madson and Raquel, I learned a lot from them, does not talk about
different sizes for the symbols of finger movements. I constantly refer to the
ISWA 2010 reference manual.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I had already watched Adam's videos. They are very
good! About this particular video, some researchers here believe that the
squeeze movement symbol replaces the </span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">fist </span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">handshape.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">That is why they write the sign of
love, in Libras, like this:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"></p><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><img src="cid:ii_ko1k87rq0" alt="image.png" width="118" height="185"></font><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">meaning this:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"></p><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><img src="cid:ii_ko1k92nc1" alt="image.png" width="117" height="142"></font><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Or they write like this for to hold:</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"></p><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><img src="cid:ii_ko1knwbe2" alt="image.png" width="139" height="145"></font><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">To say this correctly:</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"></p><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><img src="cid:ii_ko1kpd3j3" alt="image.png" width="92" height="160"></font><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Until next
time!</span></p></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Josenilson</span><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em ter., 27 de abr. de 2021 Ă s 13:08, FĂsica em Libras <<a href="mailto:tr.vanessa.ferreira@gmail.com">tr.vanessa.ferreira@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I usually use them to register if the Finger open just a little or wide open. <br><br><div>Vanessa Cristina da Silva Ferreira<br><br>Mestranda em Educação em CiĂȘncias e MatemĂĄtica/PPGEduCIMAT/UFRRJ<br>Licenciada em FĂsica/UFRRJ<br>Colaboradora do Coletivo PNE/UFRRJ<br>Colaboradora do Projeto Cultura Visual - ImersĂŁo na Libras - DLC/UFRRJ<br>Colaboradora do Projeto Meninas do Radium - LEFERCE - UFRRJ</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em seg, 26 de abr de 2021 20:28, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Hi Adam -<div>I appreciate your answer truly. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>I guess I meant âmore than one fingerâ - I am not sure either - I am trying to remember why we put two different sizes in the ISWA 2010 - it was a lot of work to do that - Originally I did the dot-by-dot development for the pngs, and then you did the SVG (thank you so much, Adam ;-). So when you think about it, there had to be a reason!<div><br></div><div>For those who might be interested, Adam did videos teaching these symbols:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://youtu.be/F4wIpupyNtY" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/F4wIpupyNtY</a></div><div><br></div><div>I will write again when I find a really good answer ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 26, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I am not sure about the meaning of âmore than oneâ. In fact, when you put it that way, it doesnât seem right. :-)<div><br></div><div>Like I said, I don't personally write with the smaller symbols, so it is possible I understand it wrong. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I think we need to check out the older documents. :-)</div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 26, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@DANCEWRITING.ORG" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sutton@DANCEWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div>SignWriting List</div><div>April 26, 2021</div><div><br></div><div>QUESTION: Small and large Finger Movement Symbols - does size mean how many fingers move?</div><div><br></div><div>ANSWER: No. My memory was that the Size is there just for convenience when writing. Some signs need more space to write and so the smaller size is useful in those cases, and some signs look better with the larger symbol. I see Adam feels they do mean âmore than oneâ, but no matter what, they are âone time movementâ. If they move âopen-openâ - in other words - two movements in a row - then there are two written -</div><div><br></div><div>Let me look up our early textbooks to be sure of all this (smile)! Did you know that the system in 46 years old? And some of these particulars evolved over time - so it would be good to review it -</div><div><br></div><div>What did Madson and Raquelâs book âSignWriting Without Mysteriesâ say?</div><div><br></div><div>The symbols are listed in the ISWA 2010 HTML Reference Manual Online. Here is Group 12:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.signbank.org/iswa/216_sg.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signbank.org/iswa/216_sg.html</a></div><div><br></div><div><span id="gmail-m_-5938309543756291603m_1955731755695490422cid:23DBC8D6-97B0-4889-836D-22CF8A337286@san.rr.com"><Group12.png></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>________________________</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><br><div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">SignWriting List<div>April 26, 2021</div><div><br></div><div>English Translation from Google:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:"Google Sans",arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)">Dear Valerie and Adam Frost,
A question arose among some fellow SignWriting researchers as to why these symbols have different sizes. When should we write the largest and when should we write the smallest? Does it have anything to do with the amount of fingers that move?</span></div><div><span id="gmail-m_-5938309543756291603m_1955731755695490422cid:ii_knz5qwos0"><image.png></span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:"Google Sans",arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)">
Grateful for the attention!
Josenilson Mendes</span></div><div><font color="#202124" face="Google Sans, arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#202124" face="Google Sans, arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)">____________<br></span></font><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 26, 2021, at 3:20 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jsm88b@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Caros Valerie e Adam Frost,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Surgiu uma dĂșvida entre alguns colegas pesquisadores de escrita de sinais sobre a razĂŁo pela qual estes sĂmbolos tĂȘm tamanhos diferentes. Quando devemos escrever o maior e quando escrever o menor? Tem alguma relação com a quantidade de dedos que se movem?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span id="gmail-m_-5938309543756291603m_1955731755695490422cid:ii_knz5qwos0"><image.png></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Grato pela atenção!</div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Josenilson Mendes</span><br></div></div></div></div>
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