<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">August 17, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Andre!</div><div class="">This is wonderful. Good idea. The illustrations really do help. I will try to develop a new lesson, based on what you have attached, Andre. Thank you for your insight.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Good to hear from you. I hope you and your family are well in French-Canada. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:39 AM, André Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@VIDEOTRON.CA" class="">atg@VIDEOTRON.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><div class="">Hello Val and everyone,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">An illustration helps me understand the symbol below.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img src="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M18x22S30801n18xn22" class=""> <img apple-inline="yes" id="3FF4E992-EED0-4218-846E-44473636E670" src="cid:B94F6445-A5FD-44DE-864D-0DE98EF98AAD" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Do you have facial directions and head positions with illustrations below?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img src="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M123x103S30901n119xn103S30911n74xn86S30902n123xn48S30912n70xn33S30903n123x4S30913n66x25S30905n123x61S30915n69x79S3090617xn103S3091676xn85S3090d21xn35S3091d70xn14S3090e11x43S3091e62x63" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">André</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);" class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">De : </span> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@DANCEWRITING.ORG" class="">sutton@DANCEWRITING.ORG</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Répondre à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date : </span> Sun, 15 Aug 2021 11:19:06 -0700<br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">À : </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Objet : </span> Head Positions: Face Direction Lines<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">August 15, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Josenilson, Ae, Suzanne, and everyone -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is good we are talking about this. Thank you, Ae, for posting DanceWriting documents. A new topic of discussion has emerged: Writing Head Positions and Head Movements, which are needed when we write mime, dance, sign languages, and sports and body language too.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The symbols that are in the attached diagram are Head Positions. They are static positions, written with a little line, called the “Face Direction Line”, placed on the Shoulder Line, showing the direction of the nose.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Head Movements are written differently, usually with Head Circles. We can discuss Head Movements in another thread.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Face Direction Lines (Head Positions) are explained on these links:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. Lessons in SignWriting Textbook, page 176.</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. Writing Full Body Movement: Face Direction Line</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.movementwriting.org/lessons/fullbody/fullbody07.html" class="">https://www.movementwriting.org/lessons/fullbody/fullbody07.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3. Learn To Transcribe Sign Language in SignWriting</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe003.html" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe003.html</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe004.html" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe004.html</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe005.html" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe005.html</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe006.html" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe006.html</a> (Face Direction Lines)</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe007.html" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe007.html</a> (Face Direction Lines)</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe008.html" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/transcribe/scribe008.html</a> (Face Direction Lines)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">…and then I never finished the lessons… but more can always be added…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">4. ISWA 2010 Reference Manual</div><div class="">Category 4: Head and Face</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signbank.org/iswa/2ff_sg.html" class="">https://www.signbank.org/iswa/2ff_sg.html</a></div><div class="">Scroll down to see BaseSymbols 520, 521 and 522. So many symbols!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Keep asking questions!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">---------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com" class="">jsm88b@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi, Valerie and everyone on <span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; " class="">SignWriting List!</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; " class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; " class="">This is very good!</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; " class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><img apple-inline="yes" id="BC3EA180-0764-4EDC-85D9-3FC5A9B60FDE" src="cid:ii_kschkk9f3" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; " class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; " class="">Where can I find out more about facial directions and head position with illustrations?</span></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; " class=""><br class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; " class="">Josenilson Mendes</span><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em sáb., 14 de ago. de 2021 às 14:25, Suzanne Pach <<a href="mailto:suzannepach@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">suzannepach@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr" class="">Thanks Val and Ae for the explanation. Very interesting :)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Suzanne</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:06 PM Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank" class="">0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div class="">SignWriting List<div class="">August 9, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you, Suzanne and Ae, for this discussion. It is fun to think about why this happened. To explain:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ae is correct. DanceWriting started first, and at that time, in the early 1970s, ballet was and is still very stylized. Facial expressions and even head movements were not as important as the rest of the body, and so, by placing the Head Circle to the left or right of the rest of the body on the 5-lined staff, we could write classical ballet on a 5-lined staff, under the music notes or counts, without our Head Circle in the way of the rhythm.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I realize this is surprising to those who write sign languages, like we do today, but here are some examples of the writing at that time, in Denmark in the 1970s. There were no personal computers yet, no cell phones, no digitizing fast, and so by hand it was easier to write this way: See diagrams attached. We used wax transfer sheets. 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