<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, I think the arm lines might work for Vanessa’s purposes to be able to show the details desired.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course, you are right that we have been using word descriptions in English to explain what is desired where a video would be best. So I will resound Val’s request for a video to demonstrate what is actually being asked to be written. Can you send us a video? ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 14, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" class="">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">SignWriting List<div class="">September 14, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi everyone -</div><div class="">How are you signing all this to your students and readers in LIBRAS? Send us a short sign language video in LIBRAS to show us the exact signs and sentences you want to write. We do not know your sign language, so we cannot know what you want to write without the video.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If your sign language video is long, post the video on YouTube and provide us with the link.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We look forward to seeing your video if you can provide it -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">Valerie Sutton<br class=""><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" class="">sutton@signwriting.org</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="">-------------</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 13, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Física em Libras <<a href="mailto:tr.vanessa.ferreira@GMAIL.COM" class="">tr.vanessa.ferreira@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I dont think i understood what you said, but usually the moon looks like a snake.<br class=""><a href="https://phet.colorado.edu/pt/simulations/gravity-and-orbits" class="">https://phet.colorado.edu/pt/simulations/gravity-and-orbits</a><br class="">This is a good place to find simulations, and in this one you can see the earth's trajectory around the Sun, and the moon's trajectory around the Earth while they are together going around the Sun. Bu i´m not talking about the barycenter of the planet.<br class=""><span id="cid:ii_ktjeg7hn4"><image.png></span><br class=""><br class="">This image we see in the next imagem, The Sun is not at the center, the Earth is angled around 23º while rotation, and also the equatorial plane is not the horizontal plane<br class=""><span id="cid:ii_ktjexsan7"><image.png></span><br class=""><span id="cid:ii_ktjez5sh8"><image.png></span><br class="">And that's why I need to write all these details so people can understand and remember how Earth is orbiting the Sun.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Em seg., 13 de set. de 2021 às 21:48, John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" class="">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br class="">This occurred to me today, but I saw an orbit once where the Earth was snaking around in orbit. I think the center of the earth in orbit may be more like a corkscrew or slinky wire though. That's not why we have seasons.<br class=""><br class="">On 9/13/21 7:42 PM, Física em Libras wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I got it, but I really need this angle, I'm trying to explain why we have seasons, and it's because of the angle that the Earth spins around itself, and also because of the angle with the horizontal plane that Earth moves around the Sun, and that the Sun is not at the center of the translation. So I can have all the important details for "orbit" explained. I don't know if it's clear now, but thank you so much for trying to help me.<br class=""><br class="">Just like in these images, I need to write this angle.<br class=""><br class=""><span id="cid:17be1e7dbc5cb971f161"><image.png></span><span id="cid:17be1e7dbc5cb971f162"><image.png></span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Em seg., 13 de set. de 2021 às 14:21, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br class="">Ok. So the handshapes are in front of the body and tilted forward so that the finger side of the hand is lower than the wrist. Hmm…<br class=""><br class="">If you are writing for everyday use, I would suggest sticking to wall or floor plane by using whichever one would imply the tilting forward the best. It could be the wall plane to show that the fingers are lower than the wrist because this placement of the hand is rarely used in this extreme but when relaxed becomes the angle you referred to, for example.<br class=""><span id="cid:17be1e7dbc56276ef6f3"><Screen Shot 2021-09-13 at 10.13.39 AM.png></span><br class=""><br class="">However, if you are writing for that specific 45 degree tilt detailed representation, you might need to use detailed symbols. I’m not sure that location symbols would suffice for you, but the symbol you used mean the height from the signer on the upper righthand side. It doesn’t mean the angle of the hand.<br class=""><br class=""><span id="cid:17be1e7dbc54dbf12034"><namesign.png></span><br class="">Adam<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 13, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Física em Libras <<a href="mailto:tr.vanessa.ferreira@GMAIL.COM" class="">tr.vanessa.ferreira@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">It would be parallel to your body but angled 45° considering your shoulder line. Rotation on floor or wall plane I can understand, but how can I show a oblique plane between them? <br class=""><br class="">Vanessa Cristina da Silva Ferreira<br class=""><br class="">Mestranda em Educação em Ciências e Matemática/PPGEduCIMAT/UFRRJ<br class="">Licenciada em Física/UFRRJ<br class="">Colaboradora do Coletivo PNE/UFRRJ<br class="">Colaboradora do Projeto Cultura Visual - Imersão na Libras - DLC/UFRRJ<br class="">Colaboradora do Projeto Meninas do Radium - LEFERCE - UFRRJ<br class=""><br class="">Em seg, 13 de set de 2021 13:53, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br class="">Hello Vanessa,<br class=""><br class="">I just want to make sure I understand what you are asking before I suggest a writing.<br class=""><br class="">If I were to look down at my hands doing this configuration from the top view, I would see them angled from by body about 45 degrees rather than parallel to my body. Is that correct?<br class=""><br class=""><span id="cid:17be1e7dbc54dbf12034"><namesign.png></span><br class="">Adam<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 13, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Física em Libras <<a href="mailto:tr.vanessa.ferreira@GMAIL.COM" class="">tr.vanessa.ferreira@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Good afternoon to everyone.<br class="">I need to write this sign but I don't know how to write it on the "floor plane" but show this angle with the horizontal.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Can I use this to show it?<br class=""><image.png><image.png><br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Vanessa Cristina da Silva Ferreira<br class=""> <br class="">Mestranda em Educação em Ciências e Matemática/PPGEduCIMAT/UFRRJ<br class="">Licenciada em Física/UFRRJ<br class="">Colaboradora do Coletivo PNE/UFRRJ<br class="">Colaboradora do Projeto Cultura Visual - Imersão na Libras - DLC/UFRRJ<br class="">Colaboradora do Projeto Meninas do Radium - 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