<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="">SignWriting List</div><div class="">October 16, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello SW List Members, and hello Sutthikhun!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you, Sutthikhun (Ae), for this amazing posting. Yes, we remember your posting of the Thai Fingerspelling of Consonants about 2 months ago. The message is in the SignWriting List Archives.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for posting the second half of the work</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We can also view and search for your individual entries on SignPuddle:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thailand SignPuddle Dictionary</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=34" class="">https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=34</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">…and then click on 71 entries added this week … and a listing of the 71 entries appear. Thank you for all you are doing - quite amazing!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And I love the way you explain the history behind the development of Thai Fingerspelling in your email below. Thank you for your research and information.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your diagrams are valuable and very helpful, and will be accessed over time I am sure.</div><br class=""><div class="">Val ;-)<br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></span><br class=""><span><img apple-inline="yes" id="13439F5A-CFB8-4EC6-B5AE-5E3C387AF25A" src="cid:4115CBC4-6D28-4FCE-A7AB-29F39F83B03A@san.rr.com" class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton<br class=""><a href="mailto:sutton@signwiting.org" class="">sutton@signwiting.org</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="">-------------------</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Oct 15, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <<a href="mailto:suttikunep@GMAIL.COM" class="">suttikunep@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hello SWList members!<br class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>• If you still remember, I published on Thai Fingerspelling of Consonants almost 2 months ago, just before the SW mail list went down. Here's the second-half of the work I recently finished, which involved fingerspelling (FS) a lot of Thai vowel elements and other marks.<br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>• By the way, I'd like to express my appreciation to Adam Frost and Valerie Sutton for their advice on hand symbol selection and proper detailing in writing signs for the FS. There appear to be several other SW approaches and alternatives that I still need to learn more about from you all, SWList members here!<br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>• Moreover, I intend to add FS of scripts in other languages to SignPuddle after this work is completed. As far as I can see, there are only FS based on the Latin alphabet in SignPuddle for now. I think having FS written in SW for various types of letters would be fascinating and useful!<br class=""></div>The following are the details of my work:<br class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>• Thai Fingerspelling: Vowels and marks<br class="">Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai (15 Oct 2021)<br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>• In 1952, Khunying Kamala Krairiksh collaborated with Dr. Elizabeth Benson to develop Thai FS for Thai consonants and also vowels and marks (VMs) from that of American Sign Language (ASL). Because English only has five vowel alphabets (a, e, i, o, and u), ASL vowel FS is still insufficient for the number of VMs in Thai. As a result, Thai FS had to be modified a wider range of hand gestures to accommodate all 16 vowel elements, 4 tonal marks, and 4 other marks, totaling 24 marks.<br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>• The VMs in Thai FS presentation are traditionally arranged as scattered stuffs on the palm of a hand, but in this figure, the hand gestures have been literally rearranged according to the position of the VMs in each Thai syllable to make it easier to understand where the true position of each element in that syllable is.<br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>• Wikimedia file: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sign_ThSL_fingerspelling_vowel.pn" class="">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sign_ThSL_fingerspelling_vowel.pn</a>g<br class=""></div>My rearranged table style of Thai FS<br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="DE675034-8F3E-4F1F-8F4E-C369FAC42574" src="cid:ii_kusv9knz0" class=""><br class="">The traditional Thai FS presentation<br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="51F976F2-631F-4E22-A4D9-A3E0D95157CD" src="cid:ii_kusvbkon1" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Actually, because figures with analogous hand gestures in the new table are not placed as close to each other as in the traditional presentation, I'm not going to affirm that my rearranging makes it easier to learn. I simply want to arrange them in a different way by grouping them by Thai writing alphabetical position.<br class=""><br class="">Thank you for letting me share here ;)<br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="AB89B59A-E548-4859-A0DF-66F615A8318A" src="cid:ii_kusvwzij2" class=""><br class="">Sutthikhun (Ae)<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></body></html>________________________________________________
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