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Valerie, Adam and members of SWList,<span></span></span></p>
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this theme is the object of our research, because here in Brazil, Libras has
many handshape that are not included in ISWA 2010, we are even working on the
publication of the second volume of the book that makes this record with more
handshape sent after the public consultation held in April 2020.<span></span></span></p>
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will insert in our proposal a request for partnership in some Brazilian
university that is interested in supporting us with a project with software
developers to create an "add-on" program or other alternative to help
in this regard.<span></span></span></p>
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are hopeful that we will soon have a solution</span> <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊🙏<span></span></span></p>
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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em ter., 26 de out. de 2021 às 18:09, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">SignWriting List<div>October 28, 2021</div><div><br></div><div>First, I want to welcome a new member to our List, Keren Cumberbatch. Thank you, Keren, for the questions about constructing handshapes.</div><div><br></div><div>Second, many thanks to Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae), for your help. I do so appreciate it.</div><div><br></div><div>Before you joined, Keren, Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae) had already been discussing your handshapes in question:</div><div><br></div><div><img id="gmail-m_-1731429203718550586<17cbd8949bfae0c228a1>" alt="Screenshot 2021-04-10 at 12.29.59 AM.png" style="opacity: 1;" src="cid:17cc27433918892f5831" width="166" height="152"> <img id="gmail-m_-1731429203718550586<17cbd8949bf63a0fd492>" alt="Screenshot 2021-10-25 at 8.43.42 PM.png" style="opacity: 1;" src="cid:17cc27433921d17e0752" width="138" height="152">.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe we all agree on the first one:</div><div><br></div><div>It is the thumb inside a fist, with the index finger extended. It would be two handshapes combined:</div><div><br></div><div><img id="gmail-m_-17314292037185505862290BE4C-D418-4A9E-BA34-1392B947C291" src="cid:17cc27433929d2f7cdf3" width="93" height="31"></div><div><br></div><div>and of course there are different palm facings. This handshape needs to be constructed because it is not a part of the official ISWA 2010 symbolset. But all the pieces are there for you. Do you know how to access and find those shapes in SignPuddle Online? I do not know how SooSL works with handshapes.</div><div><br></div><div>The second handshape is hard to see in the photo, but Adam and Sutthikhun made different suggestions - You can find their earlier messages in the SW List Archives for today:</div><div><br></div><div>Archive 4</div><div><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a></div><div><br></div><div>From your description, “ The second one which may be difficult to identify is an index middle cross hinge, thumb side”, and looking at the suggestions, it looks like to me that it is an R hand (crossed fingers) angled forward, like the Letter N in ASL, but the thumb goes to the side, like this:</div><div><br></div><div><img id="gmail-m_-1731429203718550586A6040C2B-A604-486B-8C2F-C58BDA758FB9" src="cid:17cc27433939d3d94604" width="112" height="80"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As you can see, this is also a constructed handshape and even if you want to write it differently than I have posted above, we do not have it in the ISWA 2010 either - so both handshapes have to be constructed.</div><div><br></div><div>So what to do about needing more handshapes in the ISWA? It would be so much chaos for the software developers who have already built their software on the current symbolset to change the current symbolset now - the best thing we could try, is for brave software developers to develop an “add-on” program that could somehow be accessed on the side, while still keeping the current software in tact.</div><div><br></div><div>How do other people feel about this? Rubens Almeida and others have also requested more handshapes. Is there anyone who can help this issue?</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-----------------</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 25, 2021, at 6:46 PM, K Cumberbatch <<a href="mailto:mehrarbeite@gmail.com" target="_blank">mehrarbeite@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Dear Ms Sutton,<br><br>I am using SooSL for my research project and I noticed there are some handshapes that are not included. I contacted Tim Grove. He said that the handshapes are from SignWriting and I can contact SignWriting directly about adding handshapes. I would like to know if new handshapes will be added in the near future and if it is possible to add the 2 handshapes in the attached pictures so that they can be included in SooSL. The second one which may be difficult to identify is an index middle cross hinge, thumb side.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Keren Cumberbatch.<br><br><img id="gmail-m_-17314292037185505867A145F26-9E45-4DDD-AD88-32A0BBBE0F93" src="cid:17cc2743393ae0c228a5" width="166" height="152"><img id="gmail-m_-1731429203718550586F36F84A6-0B23-4760-9261-B2AC43517599" src="cid:17cc274339363a0fd496" width="138" height="152"><br></blockquote><br></div></div>________________________________________________
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